I've still been down with by back. Mt daughter and son-in-law came for a visit last week. They were disappointed when I couldn't do much in the shop. We went up and I showed them how to heat, bend and shape steel into some candle sticks. They had a great time as did I. I got to spend time with the kids and work in the shop and they got to take home a set of candle sticks that they designed and build. We pulled off the pair in about 5 hours taking it easy.