webminster -
Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:39am
I apologize for coming in late tonight. Had to help move some furniture for my mother and time flies when mom's have things for their yunguns' to do. Anyway, here is the chat log from this evening.
Summary: We're going to set up a group, a gallery, and a poll for the exhibition. But we're going to wait for Valerie and Heather to come up with the specifics. Right?
17/11/200622:56:29‹marilyn›Now that's a good question Dann.
17/11/200622:56:46‹Emfairmeadows›I suppose one of the reasons to set up the virtual show before the physical is so that we know what we may have to show at the gallery.
17/11/200622:56:46‹smif›I have no idea Dann, hadn't thought about that. I'm not the one.
17/11/200622:57:21‹marilyn›I'm going to leave the chat in a few minutes to pop corn and watch Battlestar Galatica
17/11/200622:57:55‹Emfairmeadows›mmm pop corn!
17/11/200622:57:59‹dick c›Would it need to be juried?
17/11/200622:58:01‹marilyn›I would nave no problem with the show not being juried for artmetal members.
17/11/200622:58:06‹Frosty› Popcorn GOOD!
17/11/200622:58:24‹marilyn›If for some reason, we opened it up for others, yes, jury them
17/11/200622:58:41‹marilyn›By for a while.
17/11/200622:58:51‹marilyn›I'll check the log after a while.
17/11/200622:59:00‹Dann›I had guess that Bruce Fink, Gene, Elizebeth.. .. There is a lot of talent
17/11/200623:00:01‹Emfairmeadows›I think at this point we may not need to jury the artmetal members. Bye marilyn!
17/11/200623:00:11‹Dann›Ah Marilyn.. you going to solicite the work of Paul Welding?
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17/11/200623:01:05‹smif›I think have a juried show, for the Physical space. The core Am contributors guarnteed a space if they submit, This is about the long term vision of the AM Crew anyway.
17/11/200623:01:08‹Emfairmeadows›I thinks she's gone to her popcorn
17/11/200623:05:17‹QQ›Frosty, how's the arm and the weather... feelin' cold yet?
17/11/200623:05:17‹Emfairmeadows›We have what was created last week. I'm looking for it.
17/11/200623:05:23* Anonymous106 changes his/her nickname to dick
17/11/200623:05:56‹QQ›I know about last week, but I'm late tonight and was wondering if anything has taken place.
17/11/200623:06:20‹smif›The online show could be juried as well. If we set up a database with piece ratings the pieces juried in could be orderd on the pages in decending order, with a couple random picks placed on the second page all the time. or something like that.
17/11/200623:07:00‹Emfairmeadows›We have been discussing whether we need to have an online show in addition to the physical show and the respective dates of each.
17/11/200623:07:19‹Frosty› The arm's doing darned well since I started PT. I've gotten about 20* of range back in only three sessions. The weather warmed up a little and the wind died down today. Not soon enough to save the cars though.
17/11/200623:07:45‹Emfairmeadows›Valerie sent some emails to some of us with questions that we've been discussing.
17/11/200623:08:25‹Emfairmeadows›At this point, I think we all agree that we would like to have the virtual gallery.
17/11/200623:08:25‹QQ›Frosty, is the weather affecting all that steel you have in your arm?
17/11/200623:09:16‹Emfairmeadows›The submission date has been pushed back to May insted of March 15th.
17/11/200623:09:17‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, I can set one up. Question is wether you want it private, semi-private, or public.
17/11/200623:09:29‹Frosty› I have to keep it warm or the cold is pretty painful. Deb and I opened our christmas presents early so it's keeping warm.
17/11/200623:10:00‹Emfairmeadows›Can we set one up that is private until a May, then let it become public?
17/11/200623:10:17‹QQ›Frosty, okay, you have my curiosity up. what's keeping your arm warm?
17/11/200623:10:35‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, yes!
17/11/200623:10:53‹Emfairmeadows›Great.
17/11/200623:11:20‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, do you want a rating system? Like voting 4 star or something similar?
17/11/200623:12:06‹Emfairmeadows›Could we have that as an option to be turned on later as well?
17/11/200623:12:09‹QQ›smif, are you Gene?
17/11/200623:12:14‹Frosty› Parkas from Duluth Trading co. Heavy "fire hose" cotton outer shell, high end goose down filler, coyote ruff and lots of pockets. Very warm
17/11/200623:12:47* smif changes his/her nickname to gene
17/11/200623:13:27‹QQ› sounds kool... warm, and cozy, and did I say cool? Nice
17/11/200623:14:02‹Dann›OK.. I read most of last weeks chat. Was val thinking of a pop up.. art metal book with sharp metal art?
17/11/200623:14:10‹Frosty› Yeah. There's nothing like the right gear. Winter isn't so bad if you're not cold.
17/11/200623:14:16‹QQ›gene, what have you learned about the physical exhibition location/date/etc?
17/11/200623:14:21* gene changes his/her nickname to Val's message b
17/11/200623:14:53‹Val's message b›Hey there, Gene and all! I can't be at the chat tonight
17/11/200623:15:12‹Val's message b›Again, great news and thanks about the gallery space up your way during ShinDig. I am quite excited that the book thing has evolved. Not sure if virtual exhibition leading to it, or after of what.
17/11/200623:15:15‹QQ›Dann, I think the idea is for each individual to come up with their own interpretation of "celebrating" books.
17/11/200623:15:37‹Frosty› Hey Val's message b. Since you aren't using it can I be Smif?
17/11/200623:16:08* Dann changes his/her nickname to Smif wanna be
17/11/200623:16:09‹Val's message b›Hey, I have an asskicking headache that is just knocking me out here. And I have a six hour class to do tommorrow that i am looking forward to.
17/11/200623:16:21‹Val's message b›I've got to take a powder on the chat tonight, even though it is something that I advertised....and it is the book exhibition that is topic.
17/11/200623:16:51‹Val's message b›Do you think you can help do the chat along the line of the actual gallery one....and let people put in their ideas for how virtual show/online show...gallery exhib would work...
17/11/200623:17:12* Val's message b changes his/her nickname to gene
17/11/200623:17:33‹Emfairmeadows›Dann, I suppose it's celebration of books mixed with love of metal.
17/11/200623:17:52‹Smif wanna be›Where will the gallery be? Hastings?
17/11/200623:18:04‹Frosty› I got the idea they were supposed to be books made of metal or incorporating metal.
17/11/200623:18:47‹QQ›gene, now I'm really mixed up.
17/11/200623:18:52‹Emfairmeadows›Yes Frosty.
17/11/200623:18:56‹Smif wanna be›Reading last weeks chat, I had the vision of Danny DaVito doing his pop up book in the movie _Throw Momma from the Train_
17/11/200623:19:07‹gene›No, Frank's Gallery is in North Mineapolis, about 40 min south of us and about a mile off the freeway
17/11/200623:19:48‹Smif wanna be›Is that near the Continental Clay art store?
17/11/200623:19:56‹Emfairmeadows›Maybe you should make that one??
17/11/200623:20:58‹Emfairmeadows›QQ we were trying to pin dowm how many members were interested in subbmitting a book? Would it be simple to set up a poll?
17/11/200623:21:11‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, who ya talkin' 2?
17/11/200623:21:39* Smif wanna be changes his/her nickname to dann
17/11/200623:21:48‹dann›
17/11/200623:21:58‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, have you tried creating a poll yet? You know you can do it, right?
17/11/200623:22:00‹gene› a few miles away. but about the same latitude
17/11/200623:22:14‹dann›Elizebeth didn't like my popup book analogy
17/11/200623:22:53‹Emfairmeadows›Maybe you should make that one?? wat to Dann, Smif wanna be
17/11/200623:23:13‹dann›np
17/11/200623:23:21‹QQ›dann, I could see a "pop-up" book. Striking!
17/11/200623:23:37‹gene›Marilyn could make a corny popping one.
17/11/200623:23:42‹Emfairmeadows›I don't have problems with pop up books
17/11/200623:25:44‹Emfairmeadows›Dann, what does np mean?
17/11/200623:26:09‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, okay let's do the poll together. I have a create poll page up. What's the questions?
17/11/200623:26:16‹dann›np = no problem..
17/11/200623:27:42‹dann›First question: individual books, or pages of an artmetal book collaboration
17/11/200623:27:49‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, you said"QQ we were trying to pin dowm how many members were interested in subbmitting a book? Would it be simple to set up a poll?"
17/11/200623:28:51‹Frosty› Dann I think "book" is the theme with metal or metal and mixed as the media.
17/11/200623:29:01‹dann›Next question? Metal only, or mixed medium metal - glass, granite metal.. etc?
17/11/200623:29:08‹QQ›dann, the questions have to be so that the voter can only pick one of the choices.
17/11/200623:29:43‹dann›ah.. not being helpful <g>
17/11/200623:29:54‹Emfairmeadows›dann, thanks for the explanation.
17/11/200623:30:35‹Emfairmeadows›QQ, I started to set up a poll using the question, "Would you be interested in submitting an artist's book for Artmetal.com online ehibit?"
17/11/200623:30:46‹QQ›I'm just trying to find out what the purpose of the poll is to start with.
17/11/200623:31:33‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, okay so that is a yes/no answer. That's doable. What do you want to get from the results?
17/11/200623:31:35‹Emfairmeadows›We'd like to find out how many virtual and/or physical pieces to expect for an exhibit?
17/11/200623:31:35‹gene›The initial statement was that metal had to be a major element if mixed media.
17/11/200623:33:11‹Emfairmeadows›QQ Does the poll give numbers or just percentages?
17/11/200623:33:21‹gene›If I posted to the bellows I'll bet we could get some interesting responses. Kirsten, Tom and Kitty Latane might put up something worth seeing
17/11/200623:33:32‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, so is the question then, "Will you be participating in the exhibition, and if so, here are your choices?
17/11/200623:33:53‹QQ›I think it gives both.
17/11/200623:34:21‹QQ›gene, the bellows?
17/11/200623:35:03‹dann›Kirsten Skiles Tom Latane,, Kitty Latane
17/11/200623:36:09‹gene›How about an invitational to get it started. names of active participants on artmetal over the years. contact them and ask for submissions. then open reistration to others if of the online and (jurried physical if there is room)
17/11/200623:37:07‹gene›the Bellows is the Guild private email list I set up. (open actually if you want to join, I'll send directins)
17/11/200623:37:14‹QQ›gene, I think it would be great to make the invitational for both exhibitions at the same time.
17/11/200623:37:40‹Emfairmeadows›Options could be "Yes, online only- Yes, online and Wisconsin Shindig Exhibit- No, I'm not interested at this time."
17/11/200623:38:42‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, that's a good poll. So, then we should also have info on the exhibit so they know what they are getting into, right?
17/11/200623:39:10‹marilyn›By invited others, it will make it more intimidating for any new people.
17/11/200623:39:20‹gene›its minnesota here most of the time meadows
17/11/200623:39:27‹marilyn›by the way, I like the corny book
17/11/200623:39:58‹gene›Just popped out, marilyn,
17/11/200623:40:03‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, I wonder how much text we can put in the question. Never tried to include paragraphs and such, but maybe we can put the synopsis within the question? maybe?
17/11/200623:40:15‹Emfairmeadows›We'll need to update the metal book blog. Thanks Gene:
17/11/200623:40:16‹dann›roflol
17/11/200623:41:04‹QQ›marilyn, you may have a good point. But is this show not going to be open to anyone interested?
17/11/200623:41:11‹dann›roflol = rolling on floor laughing out loud
17/11/200623:41:23‹dann›oops
17/11/200623:41:53‹marilyn›Origninaly, it was for just artmetal and was not juried.
17/11/200623:42:09‹gene›I think I confused here about the how they have a whey of doing things in Wisconsin. when the hurry curdy's done.
17/11/200623:42:17‹marilyn›Will people from the bellows be juried?
17/11/200623:42:33‹marilyn›Or is the invitation just going to special people?
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17/11/200623:43:06‹Frosty› I think Gene's lost in culture
17/11/200623:43:17* dann changes his/her nickname to Anonymous106
17/11/200623:43:37‹QQ›marilyn, who's jurying?
17/11/200623:43:40‹marilyn›I think hes gone for popcorn
17/11/200623:43:45‹gene›the show is first about artmetal, and the vision we have shared, I think.
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17/11/200623:44:23‹marilyn›Who is jurying, that's a good question
17/11/200623:44:52‹gene›This is to be shown in the books we create. The physical show starts with the 100 very odd people that have contributed most to the evolution of the forum.
17/11/200623:45:23‹marilyn›I think if it is other than the artmetal members, they should be juried unless by special invitation.
17/11/200623:45:24‹QQ›The exhibition is, "Can't) Judge a book by its cover: METAL BOOKS: AN exhbition of the book as artifact."
17/11/200623:45:50‹Frosty› Thanks QQ. the name explains a lot.
17/11/200623:45:59‹gene›Then juried piece fall in line. Kirsten has been on AM. Brown gets an invitation, Andy mankiller et al.
17/11/200623:46:48‹marilyn›Past members are fine with me
17/11/200623:47:39‹QQ›marilyn, is an "artmetal member" not anyone who gets an account on ArtMetal? If so, then everyone interested in the exhibition is going to have to get an account so they can upload their images to the gallery. Right?
17/11/200623:48:02‹marilyn›Good point QQ
17/11/200623:48:36‹gene›QQ, that or if they have problems and were list members we do an end run.
17/11/200623:49:24‹gene›you popper have me hungry now.
17/11/200623:49:44‹QQ›I mean, we can send invitations, but when the artist decides to enter the online exhibition, they will be getting an account so they can upload their images. That means they automatically become a member. Which is fine with me.
17/11/200623:50:35‹Emfairmeadows›So, we are giving former members an incentive to rejoin Artmetal.com. QQ do you have current figures for the artmetal.com membership?
17/11/200623:50:37‹gene›I'm shutting down the office. and heading to the house. I'll be back up on Chris Laptop in a bit.
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17/11/200623:51:02‹QQ›gene, The only problem I see with that is that we would have to make dummy user accounts so that a picture of them and their personal info will be a part of the entry. Understand?
17/11/200623:51:51‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, I can look it up. Be back in a few...
17/11/200623:54:53‹QQ›521 registered users on the artmetal.com web site.
17/11/200623:56:59‹marilyn›Boy, a lot of those are lurkers. I tend to merg the list and the site though
17/11/200623:57:02‹Emfairmeadows›Wow, that's a lot of members. Should we assume that at least half lurk?
17/11/200623:57:38‹Frosty› More like 95% lurk
17/11/200623:58:02‹QQ›more like 90% lurk
17/11/200623:58:21‹QQ›Lot's lurk
17/11/200623:59:20‹Emfairmeadows›Oh, so maybe 50 folks are active?
17/11/200623:59:38‹QQ›Hay, but you know, I think the percentages are typical. So we just go on dancin'
18/11/200600:00:09‹Frosty› Sokay, lots of folk don't like talking in public. Yes, typical %.
18/11/200600:00:31‹QQ›It's hard to tell, I know we are showing about 3,000 pages per day to "real" visitors.
18/11/200600:01:04‹Emfairmeadows›50 books would be plenty for a physical show, I think.
18/11/200600:01:34‹Frosty› More people look that talk. It's about the same everywhere.
18/11/200600:02:16‹QQ›You know, I'm thinking that if we set up a group for the exhibition where specific yak can go on, and then attach a specific gallery to the group, then we could have a corner in ArtMetal to organize and implement the show.
18/11/200600:03:17‹Frosty› I like the idea. It goes with making a show, in part a membership drive.
18/11/200600:03:34‹QQ›The group can be moderated by marilyn, elizabeth, and valerie? hint, hint...
18/11/200600:03:36* Anonymous106 changes his/her nickname to gene
18/11/200600:04:43‹Emfairmeadows›Can we table the delegation of a moderator until Valerie and Heather are with us?
18/11/200600:04:43‹QQ›Frosty, membership drive will be a natural occurance from the exhibition.
18/11/200600:05:01‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, sure.
18/11/200600:05:35‹QQ›I'm just throwing out some of the features of the group interface.
18/11/200600:05:39‹Frosty› Yes. that's the beauty of it.
18/11/200600:05:44‹Emfairmeadows›Thanks
18/11/200600:06:23‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, I'm here to assist, not to lead. Okay?
18/11/200600:07:35‹Emfairmeadows›Okay, just feeling a little pulled in many directions today.
18/11/200600:07:44‹gene›yeah when you have too much lead you sink
18/11/200600:08:39‹QQ›Emfairmeadows, pulled or janked?
18/11/200600:08:42‹Emfairmeadows›My marble arrives in NJ on Sunday. panic, panic, panic
18/11/200600:08:53‹Frosty› Sokay Liz. We just thought a little something to fill your free time would be a nice break.
18/11/200600:08:58‹Emfairmeadows›yanked big time.
18/11/200600:09:22‹Emfairmeadows›Free time, blink blink? What's that?
18/11/200600:09:29‹Frosty› How many times do I have to tell you don't PANIC!
18/11/200600:09:48‹Frosty›
18/11/200600:09:57‹Emfairmeadows›panic bad, sleep good
18/11/200600:10:40‹QQ›okay so I'm going to summarize. We're going to set up a group, a gallery, and a poll for the exhibition. But we're going to wait for Valerie and Heather to come up with the specifics. Right?
18/11/200600:10:41‹Frosty› Now you got it. Sleep good. the stone has been around millions of years, no need for you to get in a rush.
18/11/200600:11:34‹Emfairmeadows›Yes. I'll work on the poll tomorrow.
18/11/200600:12:52‹Frosty› Oh WOW! I just got a visual of you working a pole! <sigh>
18/11/200600:12:53‹gene›me, I got rush, 200 ft of graphics on a 40 ft wall installed by feb15.
18/11/200600:13:00‹QQ›Gosh it's so easy to say someone else is going to do something when they aren't around.
18/11/200600:13:20‹QQ›Frosty,
18/11/200600:13:48‹Emfairmeadows›I think having one location with the Exhibit Summary/Theme/Purpose will be a good idea.
18/11/200600:14:02‹Frosty› Nice visual eh?
18/11/200600:14:28‹Emfairmeadows›No, Frosty I will not attempt pole dancing anytime soon.
18/11/200600:14:33‹marilyn›I'm back again to say good night.
18/11/200600:14:43‹gene›Careful Jer. she may unship it and swing it athwart yer rib.
18/11/200600:18:53‹Emfairmeadows›Thanks for coming to the chat tonight everybody. A lot of good points were discussed. I'll send Valerie an email tomorrow.
18/11/200600:20:40‹QQ›I think I'll copy/paste what I have on the chat as a comment to that message. Then Valerie will see what we were up to.
18/11/200600:21:14‹QQ›I didn't get here till an hour into the chat so I'm not sure if I will miss something in the posting?
18/11/200600:21:19‹Emfairmeadows›Rocio has emailed me her apologies. She had to go offline.
18/11/200600:21:36‹Frosty› She'll read the chat log I'm sure. maybe sumarize for the comments?
18/11/200600:21:52‹QQ›I also wanted to mention a couple of things I did this week on the site...
18/11/200600:21:56‹Emfairmeadows›Yes, we posted Valerie's comments and discussed it.
18/11/200600:23:28‹Emfairmeadows›I can reply to the post tomorrow
18/11/200600:23:36‹QQ›Not sure if you all noticed, but on the front page, there is a picture listing of the latest members to access the sight. But this is only viewable if you are NOT logged in. In other words, it's for visitors to see the wonderful folks here at AM.
18/11/200600:24:45‹Frosty› No wonder I've never noticed it.
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18/11/200600:24:57‹QQ›The other thing I wanted to mention is if any of you have actually seen the blog post I put up of the metal robot sculpture, and what you think of this guys work?
18/11/200600:25:34‹Frosty› I saw the title but haven't had time to read it.
18/11/200600:26:25‹QQ›Frosty, yea, when you finish the chat tonight, log out and then go to http://www.artmetal.com You'll see your cute self
I apologize for coming in
I apologize for coming in late tonight. Had to help move some furniture for my mother and time flies when mom's have things for their yunguns' to do. Anyway, here is the chat log from this evening.