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How does one Specify/draw compound curves ?
Will Jones -
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 9:17am
Once again, I'm feeling a little inadequate, and I don't quite know how I've got as far as I have not knowing this! I have a customer wanting me to make a pair of gates, similar in style to his friend's entrance gates (photo) The frame of the gate is in 120mm x 75mm (4 3/4" x 3") hollow section, rolled the hard way on top.
Hi Will, if the compound
eligius1427 -
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 12:15pm
Hi Will, if the compound curve is (or you if can make it) out of two curves, specifying the radii on paper shouldn't be too much of a problem. Take your measurements and grab some graph paper, ruler(arch scale preferably), and a compass. Pick scale, I usually use 1" = 1' because the breakdown is pretty simple. Draw in all of the straight parts of the gate using the scale to set your limits, then draw in the curve with the compass using 2 arcs or circles making note of the actual radius your using and whether it is the inside or outside radius. After you have a shape your happy with convert the radius measurements on the drawing to actual measurements using the scale factor. Your also going to want to take a string and follow the outside of the curve with it, mark both ends and measure the distance to find the actual length of each curve. I would suggest constructing the compound curve like Kevin suggested. Have them roll each arc a good 12-18" longer than you need. You can probably figure out the jig and fit up. I usually layout all of the straight parts of the frame, then fit up the curves, mark, cut, and tack the pieces together. Be prepared for slight variations from your requested radii and radii you receive. Jake Balcom » reply Just remembered you live in
eligius1427 -
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 1:57pm
Just remembered you live in the land of the metric system, conversions of scale should be even easier. Jake Jake Balcom » reply Compound curves
Stephen Fitz-Gerald -
Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:47pm
Stephen Fitz-Gerald All the above is good advice... » reply Thanks!
Will Jones -
Friday, September 11, 2009 - 9:12am
Thanks for all the advice guys...I've been thinking pretty much along most of these lines - to tell the truth I'd be more than happy to do them a full size template to do the job, but right now I just want a ball park quote from them. Drawing out-wise, I think what's been foxing me is that on paper, if I use a compass to draw two arcs of about the right radius, where they meet there's always a little kink...ie in reality there's actually a third little curve that blends the two big arcs together... I think.... The irony is that I don't need it done highly accurately as long as the two sides match each other. Will Jones » reply Will, sometimes I put in a
eligius1427 -
Friday, September 11, 2009 - 9:54am
Will, sometimes I put in a small straight piece between the two curves to act as a transition. Also, if you have or know someone that has a cad program of any sort, this could all be figured out very accurately in a matter of minutes. For estimation purposes however changing the radius by a little bit shouldn't make any difference in the costs. You know you'll need two or three pieces and their approximate size and radius so you probably have enough info for the estimate already. Another option is to plasma cut the profile and weld flat bar to the top and bottom, creating your own tube. More work welding and cleaning, but you don't have to worry about matching curves up. Jake Jake Balcom » reply One more thing...
Stephen Fitz-Gerald -
Friday, September 11, 2009 - 10:51am
Stephen Fitz-Gerald Will, » reply Mmm.. it is an odd section
Will Jones -
Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 2:18pm
Mmm.. it is an odd section for a gate frame.. but I think it's one of the things that makes the gate interesting..ish. » reply Hey Jake, That's not the
Will Jones -
Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 2:31pm
Hey Jake, » reply joining curves
Giusseppe -
Friday, September 11, 2009 - 8:17pm
there is a common tangent to the two curves where they meet and you will find that cutting the ends with matching angles will give you a clean transition. Where to bend next ... www.metalgarden.ca » reply Thanks Giusseppe, I do have
Will Jones -
Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 2:21pm
Thanks Giusseppe, » reply Will, have you tried Hub Le
Feral Metal -
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:00pm
Will, have you tried Hub Le Bas ? they do ERW rectangular hollow section, I know they do 120mm x 60mm x 3mm. » reply ![]() How does one Specify/draw compound curves ?
visitor -
Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 6:57am
I think you should search google for that. Youwill definitely find your solution.. » reply |
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When I had someone do that
When I had someone do that for me I took them two pieces that were about 5' longer than I needed them and said "roll half the material to a 6' radius this way, and , the other to a 6' that way." I got those measurements from a graph paper scale drawing and it all worked out fine. BUT, I delivered the gate before the column were built.
If I had to be very precise with the curves I'd make a full size template ( 1/4" plywood or 1/2" foam board)and say I need two like this. That is my prefered meathod for getting arround math and difficult communication.
I've learned the KISS meathod: Keep It Simpel, Stupid. It has probably saved me 2 bottels of asprin.
KevinW