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Looking for advice on tools and techniques.....
RobertJWarren -
Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 7:10pm
Fabrication I am looking for recommendations for the correct tools and techniques for fabricating a small brass piece for a wristwatch concept. The brass piece is about 35 mm diameter, .05 inch thickness. A small window (5mm high by about 20 mm long) has to be cut out of the brass disc. So, my first thought is to cut the disc from a brass sheet with a "compass" style cutter that I found at the local hobby shop. But, how do I finish the edge of the cut to be as close to a perfect circle as possible and a nice clean (not rough) finish? How to cut the window? I thought of starting with a 2 mm drill (corners of the window can be rounded) then sawing out the cutout and filing to finish? Looking for tips, tools, tehcniques, on line references, whatever I can get. Thanks in advance.. Robert,I wouldn't bother
Rich Waugh -
Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:42pm
Robert, I wouldn't bother with the compass cutter, myself. Since you only need one of these, I think the most straightforward way to do it is with a jeweler's saw and files. Start by cleaning your brass with some pumice and water, followed by soapy water and a rinse. Dry it thoroughly and apply a thin coat of Dychem layout fluid or Magic Marker. This will allow you to easily see scribed lines. Next, determine the center of your 35mm circle and make a small center punch mark with a sharp scribe point. Using a machinist's dividers with very sharp points, scribe your circle, being careful to make only one thin line. Using a steel ruler and a scribe or a needle, similarly layout your window. Drill a hole in the waste area of the window. Using a #0 or #1 blade in a jeweler's saw frame, saw out the window first. You want to be sure your piece of brass is small enough that the saw frame can pass all around it, so you can cut the window easily. When sawing, try to cut just at the edge of your scribed line. It sometines helps to use a magnifier headset to see better, and have plenty of light. WOuldn't hurt to practice on some scrap untile you feel comfortable with the saw, either. A bit of beeswax or paraffin on the blade as a lubricant helps, too. For sawing with a jeweler's saw, it is very handy to have a good support for the work. A piece of 1/2" thick wood about 2" wide with a "V" notch cut about 1" into the end of it can be clamped or screwed to your benchtop and will allow you to hold the work sceurely and support the work on both sides of the saw cut. After the window is cut, file it as needed for final finish, and then cut out the circle. File it and you're done. The whole operation takes about the same amount of time to do as it does to write down the instructions, for me at least. I saw much better than I type. :-) » reply Thanks guys!
RobertJWarren -
Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:32pm
Thanks so much, just the type of experience I was looking for. I am doing brass first to learn how to do it, then will be cutting on Mokume Gane sheet, so need to hone the skills first before botching something precious.......... And unfortunately I dont type or saw well........ » reply I would do it the same way
marilyn -
Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 1:45pm
I would do it the same way but use Burr Lite instead of beeswax while sawing. It will help. If you are not satisfied with your sawing skills, practice will help. It is important that the blade in in the saw frame tight enough that there is a "ping" if you pluck the blade. Also, do not force the blade through the metal. That is a sure way to snap it. marilyn » reply jewelers saw
B.J. Severtson -
Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 4:19pm
I would follow the above procedure. I differ only in that I would use a size 3/0 blade. This blade is recommended for 20-22 gauge. It has ten more teeth per inch than the #1. It's a much finer blade being only .0095 thick. Teeth per inch amounts to the blade not getting catching in the material. There is a draw back to my approach (it's a very fine blade) not the finest available but fine none the less. That means that it break easily. Either way either size blade you will learn how to put in new blades. There is no cost difference. The #3/0 is the only size blade I always stock. I buy them a gross at a time. They sometimes come in a plastic tube. That is the best way to store them. » reply If I was doing this myself,
Rich Waugh -
Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 11:47pm
If I was doing this myself, I would probably use a 2/0 or 3/0 blade, as Brad would. I've sawed hundreds, quite probably thousands of feet of cut with a jeweler's saw, so I feel very comfortable with blades as fine as 6/0. For someone unfamiliar with sawing, I think a 3/0 might, as Brad says, give you a lot of practice changing blades. A 6/0 might not even make it to the cut - you'd likely break it just putting it in the saw frame. I'm always amazed that a blade almost as fine as a human hair can be made with sharp, alternately set teeth and sell as cheaply as they do. Brad's point about not getting water on saw blades is really spot on. I live in the tropics, and I have to keep mine oiled for storage or the salt air rusts them away. I too buy them by the gross, since I have to mail order, and since I do mostly blacksmithing these days, I don't go through them like I used to. » reply Which ever blade
B.J. Severtson -
Friday, November 16, 2007 - 10:03am
Which ever blade you chose. Scribing your line is important and a very good working practice. Many would glue a piece of paper to their metal with pencil lines drawn on it. Since the width of pencil lines varies a great deal and a paper pattern can move, it's far better to see the metal your working on. The better job you do sawing the least amount of work you will have to do to dress the edge. Acquiring skill with the jewelers saw is important. To the jeweler the saw becomes a very personal tool. I have several set up different ways. The smallest saw has the smallest blade and to most people the blade is in upside down. That saw cuts on the push stroke and is used as my smallest file. Another is set up with a small cord of emery paper. But the strangest of all, perhaps, is the one set up with a piece of string. It's used with rouge to polish around heads and other tight areas. Enjoy Brad » reply |
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talk to a sheet metal
talk to a sheet metal fabricator with a cnc turret punch
if they have the od punche, they can punch/or nibble out the rectangular hole and then knock out a clean round blank with the hole already in it. make you 20 of them for the same price as one.
or saw and file to fit.
get Andy's yet to be finished tome on filing. (go andy)
the Gene Olson
Sculptor
Elk River, MN