Bandsaw?

I am finding an increasing need for a horizontal/vertical metal cutting band saw. I've been doing a lot of work with large diameter pipe (6"-8")and larger solids and have been cutting with cut off blades or plasma. Both have obvious limitations. I also have been cutting sheet that I would like a cleaner kerf than I get with plasma.
I have never used a H/V bandsaw before, and really know nothing about them. Can someone here who has had experience with these give me an idea what to look for regarding desirable options and etc?
Thanks!
Rob


Nathan Logsdon's picture

Hey Rob-I have two saws. A

Hey Rob-I have two saws. A 7x12 Dayton and a 5x6 jet. They cost 1200 and 400 respectively. Had both for over six years with no problems and believe me they have been put through their paces. Options-keep it simple and buy the best blades you can get. I use Lenox diemaster2 from MSC. Hope this helps.


Rob Sigafoos's picture

Hi Nathan! Thanks for the

Hi Nathan!
Thanks for the information. I read about "hydrolic feeds" "cooling fluids/pumps" "auto shut off" etc. What of this stuff is necessary? I assume that cooling fluid of some type is necessary. Is this standard equipment for these saws?
Rob


Rich Waugh's picture

Rob,I've been using a

Rob,

I've been using a Grizzly with the swivel head for a year or two now and really like it. It is only the 5x6 size, but I don't work with much bigger than it will handle easily. It doesn't have a coolant pump or reservoir, but I use a dry stick lube on the blade from time to time and use only Lenox Diemaster II blades with very good life from them. I like the swivel head, as opposed to the swivel vise, because my shop doesn't have room for a 20' stick of stock to wave all around the place. The swivel head will do miter cuts tighter than 45 degrees and the saw is very accurate once set up properly.

For vertical freehand cutting, the horizontal/vertical saws aren't too good. They use a single size of blade, usually either 1/2" or 3/4", and you can do radii tighter than about 4" with a 1/2" blade. You also have to make an auxilliary table to use them vertically for anything other than quick cuts, as the work stop on them is miniscule.

For freehand cutting, I have a 14" band saw that is a Taiwanese knock-off of a Rockwell Model 14 with a jackshaft to reduce the speed far enough to cut steel. Still a bit fast, but the Diemaster II blades seem to withstand it pretty well. It was only a $300 saw when I bought it 25 years ago and its still running fine after plenty of hard commercial use, so I guess I got my nickel's worth, huh? I'd rather have a nice DoAll or a Grob, but I don't have three grand for a saw.

I think if you're going to use it pretty hard, I'd go with a 7x12 horizontal bandsaw with a coolant pump and reservoir. Grizzly, Jet, and others make fairly cheap ones around $500-900 or you can upgrade to a Wellsaw or another of the heavy-duty industrial models for around $2500 to $4000. They will be a disappointment for freehand cutting, though. You'll still need a vertical saw for that, and you can determine how much you'll use it and choose accordingly. No coolant on the vertical saws, as coolant would ruin the tires on the wheels and cause slipping. Use dry lube as necessary.

You'll be glad you got a band saw and quit using the abrasive cut off saw, believe me! These days, I only use my cut-off saw for hardened stock that the bandsaw can't eat.

Rich


Rob Sigafoos's picture

Rich- Many many thanks! As

Rich-
Many many thanks! As usual, you are a wealth of information on a diverse range of subjects. This information was very helpful!
Rob


warren's picture

Me too

Rob, I too would like to get a good band saw or two. I know that the little piece of junk that I have for a vertical band saw not very good for anything. Sears 12" wood saw but two speed. The combo saws seems like the wheels for the blades would not work for cutting very accurate in the verticle position. So I probably end up getting one of each. I been keeping tabs on Craiglist. Always a few there, then I search for the model number in Google and it sends you usually to some tool forum. Usually gives a review and tells you if good or bad. Now to find some money somewhere.

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warren


Rob Sigafoos's picture

Hi Warren- Yup, I'm in the

Hi Warren-
Yup, I'm in the same boat. I'm tired of getting bronchitis (or worse?) from the abrasive cutoff saw. I've been checking Craig's List here as well, but very few available. I would imagine they would be more plentiful up there in Detroit.
Rob