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MAPP gas/ acetylene/ propylene/ propane
Rob Sigafoos -
Friday, May 16, 2008 - 1:21pm
Hi Folks- ![]() Whats the difference between
visitor -
Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 12:39am
Whats the difference between propane and propylene? Jake » reply The Wikipedia article on
Dick C -
Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 12:47pm
The Wikipedia article on Oxy-fuel welding and cutting has a bit about propylene. » reply ![]() MAPP Gas
visitor -
Saturday, May 17, 2008 - 6:53pm
Rob: This is the first I have heard of this. I just bought a case of those little yellow cannisters to use for annealing small stuff. It is so easy to just pick up the torch and use it one-handed, that I never thought it might be discontinued. I use propane for my glass work and soldering silver and copper. I use a stick welder or a MIG for steel and stainless. How much MAPP do you regularly use? Nic East, www.niceastdesign.com » reply Rob, I have been wanting a
mele miller -
Monday, May 19, 2008 - 6:35am
Rob, » reply gas gas
Jaybird -
Monday, May 19, 2008 - 10:56am
Rob, in the past years, I have burned many a tank of MAPP, many more of propylene and because of the mindset of todays construction industy,acetylene by the truck load. The conclusion I have had is, actylene, the fast gas. Heats fast, gets used up fast, gets tips dirty fast, and because it self explods at 27.9 lbs in the right conditions, will get you killed fast. Propylene, less heat means waiting a little longer, but still allmost as expensive as act. MAPP,a little colder still, but less cost. The 2 latter gases are propane with added hydrocarbons to make propane burn hotter. There is a couple more brands out there but just propane with the stuff in it so they can mark up the price. Propane and natural gas are about 500 to 600 degrees colder than act. Takes a little longer, but propane is 1/4 the cost of act. and will last 5 times as long, no joke! Big outfits, with lots of thick cutting, use natural gas, but us home town boys have propane. Throw away your tip cleaners,very safe to use, cleaner cuts, less grinding. I am like rick, keep act. for welding or for carborizing the surface of a tool, and ofcourse for filling garbage bags on 4th of july. Did I just say that? Shame on me. » reply Thanks for the comments,
Rob Sigafoos -
Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 2:37pm
Thanks for the comments, folks. Here is what I know (per my gas distributor and the Victor welding pamphlet) about MAPP vs. acetylene vs. other gasses. Acetylene seems to be unique in the hoses, torches, fittings, regulators, etc. required. My understanding is that MAPP, propylene, propane, and natural gas can all use the same fittings, acetylene uses different hoses, torches, fittings and regulators. » reply ![]() torches,hose, gauges
visitor -
Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 4:26pm
Rob, by far the easiest way is to get a much smaller tank than 1000 gal. I use 5# tanks of propane on my portable rig, (known as turbo tanks), and every thing from 20# to 100# tanks around the shop. If you have the ace. regulator with the male left hand thread, it will screw right into most propane tanks. If not, you need an adapter. The hose MOST DEFINITELY must be changed to type t oxy-fuel cutting hose. The torch is modified only by replacing the tip, with a propane tip. I highly recomend using two peice tips, as Jay said they are far easier to clean. Like the others who replied, I keep an ace. set for other uses, but do heavy heating and cutting with propane only. You can hook up the 1000 gal tank, but it is a job for a gasfitter. John Christiansen » reply John- Many thanks for your
Rob Sigafoos -
Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 6:57pm
John- » reply propane
Jaybird -
Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 8:15pm
Rob, I got a 1000 gal. tank with a wet leg so I can fill my smaller cylinders, cost about 350 but tank has to be mt to install. If you got 20 lbs to forge, you have more than enough, even for a big rose bud. Just couple up the right hoses with some flash backs on torch end. Propane will not burn back in torch as act. will, but it look good when the nincompoops from OSHA vist your shop. jay. » reply ![]() whether propane gas is natural gas ?
visitor -
Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 7:10am
at present we are consuming Diesel for burners in production and cooking of Biscuits. Now could we utilise propane gas in burners by change of pipe fittings.what are the ingredients of propane gas . whether propane gas is natural g as. please clarify the questions.thanks. » reply I can't clarify your
Rich Waugh -
Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 9:05pm
I can't clarify your question, only you can do that. I can, however, tell you that propane has one ingredient - propane, (C3H8). Propane is a naturally occuring compound present in natural gas and petroleum, and is in the series of all the alkanes; methane, ethane, propane, butane,pentane, hexane, etc. Propane is present in natural gas before refining, but is removed along with other contaminants, to leave nearly prure methane for consumer use as "natural gas." Propane, as delivered in the compressed liquid state (LPG), may also contain some butane, pentane or other alkanes. Propane can be used for heating billets, but fuel oil has a greater number of Btu's per pound than propane and would, therefore, be more economical, I would think. It is also easier to control the furnace atmosphere, i.e. oxidizing to reducing, with an oil burner than it is with a propane burner. » reply ![]() PROPYLENE
visitor -
Thursday, August 7, 2008 - 11:48am
HEATING VALUES OF FUEL GASES: PROPYLENE ACET PROPANE NAT GAS THESE NUMBERS FOR PROPYLENE ARE WITH OXYGEN. BUT LOOK AT THE SAVINGS COST VERSUS ACETYLENE, 5 TO 1 RATION, STABLE OVER 15 LBS, UPTO 135 LBS... NEED MORE HEAT...... TURN IT UP. NEED GRADE T HOSES, NEED SINGLE OR TWO PIECE TIPS FPR PROPYLENE. A ACET REGULATOR HAS THE SAME SEALS AND SEATS AS A PROPYLENE REGULATOR. » reply ![]() Acetylene / MAPP / Propylene / Propane
visitor -
Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 11:35am
Here's a good source of information on these fuel gases. The formatting is poor, but the information contained in the page is excellent. Just so you know, MAPP is Methylacetylene Polypropadiene. It's a mixture of waste chemicals that Dow threw together and sold as a fuel gas. I have seen some small cans of it still available, but if you're buying from a gas distributor and they are selling you "MAPP", they are most likely filling your cylinder with Propylene. Also, to correct a statement made above, NONE of these gases are made by adding chemicals to Propane. Acetylene (alkyne hydrocarbon), Propylene (alkene hydrocarbon), and Propane (alkene hydrocarbon) are all pure gases (with some impurities in the ppm range.) MAPP is the only mixture covered in this post. When adding chemicals to Propane is mentioned, what is being referred to is "Flamex" (or other trade names). These are all snake oil additives and should not be factored in to your analysis of fuel gas cost and efficiency. Jason Adam » reply |
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I use oxy/propane for
I use oxy/propane for cutting, since I have the tanks for the forge anyway. Works fine for me. I still keep acetylene for welding, of course.