legal wiring questions

I am (hopefully) getting my first commission. Very exciting! This is for a large, interior hanging light in the foyer of a private residence in Maryland. The space is a two story cathedral ceiling (apparently- I haven't checked out the site yet). My question regards the legal aspect of wiring this fixture. I have certainly wired many fixtures so I am comfortable with doing this, but what do I have to concern myself with legally? I will certainly get a licensed electrician ( I am required to by law in Maryland) to wire the fixture to the house, but what about wiring the fixture itself?
-Do I need to have the piece "UL" certified?
-Does it matter if it is hard wired vs. a plug in arrangement?
-Does a licensed electrician have to wire the fixture itself?
Thanks for your thoughts!
-Rob


Paula's picture

long drawn out process

Larry recently contacted CSA International asking just that question... long story short, we found out that they would need to have several thousands of dollars, inspect our place where we work/wire as often as they would need to, test...etc...etc... they really didn't have any answers for us since we create one of a kinds...but were willing to 'work with us'... we saw dollar signs...

We know a blacksmith who took his finished chandelier to a company that manufacturers lighting and had them wire it for a fee... that might be a better option. We also talked with our insurance agent about the issue of wiring. He suggested buying the wiring kits and have the costumers hire an electrician, or wire it themselves... what little we know, there it is... if you find out more on the issue for artist blacksmiths, PLEASE post it.

Paula
Guthrie, MN


Rob Sigafoos's picture

Thanks for the information,

Thanks for the information, Paula. What I may try to do is contact an electrician in Maryland and get their take on this issue. If I can find an electrician (in a state that requires electricians to be licensed, unlike Pennsylvania) that will wire this for me, I may be able to bypass this issue altogether.
-Rob


NELSON's picture

Hi Rob: what I`m writing

Hi Rob: what I`m writing isn`t a joke nor am I trying to discurage you from doing that job.On the contrary,take the challenge and do it Right! Two years ago,I made two nice lamps for a client.They were chandlier type.After installing them,I tried them out and boila! Everything was okay.Next day I received a call from client telling me something was wrong.So went to his place and the guy said when he turned the lamps on in a place far in the big house some got shocked,a window or something had current on, LOL! This no joke.The client is a lawyer,imagen.I said oh shit I`m in trouble! but nothing happened he`s a nice guy.After checking, and disassembling (cut lamps apart) I noticed that while tacking a piece of the lamp,a wire melted some, and the heat of the bulbs did the rest to cause the ground to invert or some kind of crap into the whole house circuit. Holly shit buddy! I learned to be carefull with that stuff.
It`s simple but do it right, or have an electrician do his part...
Nice joke huh! nelson.


eligius1427's picture

Hi Rob, I asked an

Hi Rob, I asked an electrician friend about this and he said that the actual sockets and such which you purchase are already UL certified. From what he said, if you have a certified electrician wire the fixture, from the wall/ceiling to the actual sockets in the fixture, you should be more than covered. Let us know what you find out.

Jake


Canaday Designs's picture

Hello all, Here in CA we

Hello all,
Here in CA we searched out this very question about 6 years ago. Our answer was that as long as the actual sockets are UL approved (with the tag/sticker still on them) then you can wire the fixture yourself, but again a certified electrician must connect the wires to the building. I don't know if the codes have changed since then but I doubt it.
A second note though is that I wouldn't dare install any lighting without my liability insurance intact.
Matt


Rich Waugh's picture

Rob, A friend recently

Rob,

A friend recently completed a large chandelier project for a home in Vermont, I believe it was. The wiring had to be UL approved, and it cost hime around $850 for the UL-approved shop to do the wiring work. Yes, that was a hefty charge, but he simply passed it on to the buyer.

The building codes in different areas have differing requirements regarding such things, and you simply have to check them out and get a WRITTEN opinion on what is required, then follow it to the letter. To do any lessis to open yourself to serious liability.

Whenever there is a structural fire, the first suspect is always any recent electrical or gas piping work. If you're unlucky enought o be the last guy who did any, you're the one they wind up pointing the finger at. You don't want them giving you the finger, believe me. (grin)

If there is no UL requirement in your jurisdiction, then you're prettymuch in the clear if you follow established conventions and document your work. I'd still have a licensed electrician do the final wire-in so that the liability becomes his. The hundred or so bucks for him to twist that final two wires together and put on the wire nuts is cheap insurance, in my mind. Again, he's the last guy who touched it and therefore owns the liability. As a licensed professional, it becomes mostly his responsibility to ensure that the device he is wiring in meets the code and safety standards.