Moderation in All Things

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After reading a few recent posts, I think the time has come to post a reminder of what we’re trying to do here on ArtMetal. This is supposed to be a forum for the exchange of ideas and information on artistic metal working. Somehow though, a few people seem to be losing sight of that objective, and letting the focus shift from art to attitudes and from technique to tirades. That really needs to change.

In all the categories of possible posts available here, there are none for personal attacks, none for discussing people’s attitudes, and none for armchair psychologizing about anyone’s motives. Nope, the list is confined to topics about art and metalworking. It needs to stay that way, too. For idle chit chat, innuendo, name-calling or other incidental pursuits, there is an abundance of chat rooms all over the ‘net. That stuff needs to go there, not be exercised here. Think how some of that stuff would look to a person who happened in here for the first time, and then tell me if that’s really the image you want this forum to portray. I can tell you for certain that I don’t want that.

Each of you has the ability to edit/delete his or her, own posts. I know that more than just a few times I have posted something and then looked at it and realized I did not convey what I wanted to. In those cases, I have either edited my own post or deleted it entirely. I’ve never been sorry, either. Some things are definitely best left unsaid.

I’m certainly not Enrique Vega, but he has asked me to moderate this forum while he’s busy in faraway places, and I take that responsibility seriously. You folks can make my job a bunch easier by confining yourselves to art and metal related issues and leaving personalities out of it. I don’t want to be put in the position of having to edit anyone’s posts but my own, but I will if necessary.


Bill Roberts's picture

Rich......:)  Thought it

Rich......:) 

Thought it wouldn't hurt to get this THREAD back to the TOP of the recent posts. :)

I couldn't agree more with "treating each other with simple dignity and the same respect we all deserve." and "think how it looks to a new comer."

But as for the Blog content being:

Nope, the list is confined to topics about art and metalworking.  It needs to stay that way, too. 

 
Not according to the

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Enter your thoughts, rants, happenings, that are related to your life, and/or metal art.
 
which is what personal BLOGS are......at least that what I always thought they were. and these are OUR individual blogs. 
 
so either we leave it as it is....and try to be a lil more considerate....or change the format..to
 the list is confined to topics about art and metalworking.
 

 

Bill


Rich Waugh's picture

Thanks, Bill.  As you

Thanks, Bill.  As you correctly point out, the purpose of ArtMetal is stated for all to see.

I have no problems with personal items, issues, happenings, etc, but if someone really wants a place to rant about his/her politics, religion, personal habits, or recent graduation from rehab, then I think a truly personal blog page like on Blogger might be more appropriate than a metalworking forum.

Sure, we all have issues other than metalworking and the arts.  I just doubt sincerely that anyone here wants very much to hear what I think about poliltics, religion or my early toilet-training.  Or, for that matter, what I think about anyone else's politics, etc.  I'm glad you brought this back up to the top, as I think it is important that we all tread lightly when posting about things other than art and metalworking.  We've seen what can happen when words are misunderstood, and that is one of the perils of this particular medium of communication.

Since we can't see each other's expressions, and don't often know the other person's life history and personality, it is all too easy to misunderstand or be misunderstood. Emoticons and little smiley faces notwithstanding, it is too easy to take offense, when in fact the author thought he/she was being cute, funny or humorously sarcastic.  I've had it happen to me, from both sides, and it always ends up causing a lot of back-and-forth to straighten things out.   On more than one occasion, it never did get straightened out, and ended up with hurt feelings and real animosity.  Thus, I try to avoid it, and encourage others to do so.

Perhaps I misstated the guidelines for the forum. Nonetheless, I exhort everyone to use moderation in their expressed attitudes and try to give others the benefit of the doubt. If you have any doubts that your own post might be misinterpreted, give it some more thought before posting.  If you get responses that indicate that people are misinterpreting what you said, take a minute to respond gently and perhaps to edit the post that generated the confusion/misunderstanding. 

All these posts are archived for posterity - I sometimes cringe at the thought of my past mistakes cropping up years later to haunt me, just because somebody ran a search query and it returned something foolish I said three years ago.  I'll bet it happens to me, though. (grin)  

Thanks again for helping out, Bill.  I appreciate it.


Frank Castiglione's picture

How Do You Erase One of Your Dumb Posts?

Guilty...... How do I delete my wrongful deed?

"Think how some of that stuff would look to a person who happened in here for the first time..."

Actually, Rich, some of those recent off topic statements were downright inspiring and I sensed a warm comforting humor, not a trend. Some time ago I read some rather vicious slams, clothed in pedantic bullshit, concerning an opinion on originality.I'm kewl with that too.Without boundaries nothing works well for long,but a chained dog will run away first chance he gets.

Peace and Growth,

Frank

Looks like your prediction held true,eh? grin


Rich Waugh's picture

Frank, I agree that some of

Frank,

I agree that some of the off-topic stuff can be really entertaining, and as long as it doesn't degrade into name-calling or other inappropriateness, there's nothing wrong with it. Life is about more than just one thing, after all.

My Mom used to say, "Opinions are like armpits - everyone has them and they're all best not shared too freely." (grin)

Good point about restrictions causing rebellion. Hard to imagine in a country that hosted the Boston Tea Party, huh? Boundaries only work so long as the people within them agree to them. I suppose that's one reason that there are User Agreements on most forums.

If you *really* want to undo a previous post, all you have to do is look it up on the "My Recent Posts" tab and go to it. At the bottom of each post, you'll see links for "Edit", "Reply", "Delete" and maybe something else. Click on the appropriate link and you can edit or delete your own posts.


walker's picture

deleting a post

Rick,

I double posted a reply a few minutes ago and I remembered your comment in the thread a couple a days ago so I went back to it to see how to delete on of my posts. At the bottom of my posts, it just says "edit", "reply". I don't see a way to delete. Am I missing something?

Walker


Rich Waugh's picture

Beats me, Walker. My view

Beats me, Walker. My view of things is a bit skewed since I have a few more options available to me as moderator. I thought a member could delete his/her own comments, replies, or posts. I guess I was wrong, huh? Maybe you can only delete your own blog posts, but not replies to others' blogs. That would actually make sense, I guess.

Anyway, I whacked your duplicate reply for you. No charge. :-)

Rich


Gene Olson's picture

I have noticed that I can

I have noticed that I can edit reply posts up until someone replies to mine.
Then I can't change it any more.

Gene Olson
Sculptor
Elk River


visitor's picture

jeepers creepers this is gettin deep.

I been lookin here for a while and this is gettin like a reality show,sad to say but true.i thought it was about technique,skill and all that crap.yadda yadda hey hey
GO PACKERS --sorry I dood dat wont happen again eh!


PeterG's picture

Hear Hear Rich!!!! I dont

Hear Hear Rich!!!!

I dont mind the odd divisive comment (its a part of life) but this has gone on WAY too long. I'll be happy to see the end of it.

Peter