your administrator is a baby

ok so i have been here for like a week or so i thought this was an all right place until rich suspended my account because he disagreed with me, if that is what you are all about rich, then i will be the first to tell you you need to get laid more often and spend less time on the internet trying to be mr. right. you arent that smart, in fact it shows just how truly insecure you are that you would take liberties with an account for your own personal vindication.so to the rest of you who were actually NICE and helpful thank you for not being too insecure about your achievements in life to have normal discourse. it is depressing that rich has to act this way,the worst moderator is the one that takes sides and constantly feels the need to be respected and regarded as 'the man' when in fact they are sad sacks with emotional problems, good luck with all that rich! take care the rest of you and especially daedalus who thinks that art is some scary nonsense that is over his'slow head' as he called it i hope you figure out that when you make fun of things for being over your head it kinda makes you look dumb , instead you should try to learn about things instead.later!

p.s rich before you delete this thread, stop and ask yourself how to justify your decisions.because lets face it,you cant.and to all of you who have read this thread and then notice its absence, know that richs sense of self importance is the reason it is gone! xoxo gwynlaredogranger


Rich Waugh's picture

Oh, I have no issue with

Oh, I have no issue with those who disagree with me, but I don't much like having actions attributed to me that I am not guilty of. The account for "gwynlaredogranger" is active, as far as I know. I certainly haven't done anything to it. Nor would I, over a disagreement.

The account for the alleged poster of this diatribe "Rich Waaah" has been blocked due to the use of profanities (on another post) that were unnecessary. This personal attack, which is not really allowed, I can overlook since I'm the supposed "victim" but not the other posts' gratuitous profanities. Further, there is no reason for this bogus username since the alleged author's real account is perfectly viable. Thus, I am of the opinion that this post probably originates with a third party for no other purpose than to stir up trouble.

I've sent a PM to gwynlaredogranger to ascertain if these are, indeed, his sentiments. If so, they'll stay. If not, they'll be deleted, I suppose.

This make sense to everyone?

Rich


Daedalus's picture

Clear as a bell!

Posts like this have no place here IMO.The people who post them just reinforce the reasons why they are on thin ice in the first place.
I find Rich to be an objective and even handed moderator as well as an encyclopedia of very useful and helpful information.Moderating any forum is a tough and thankless job and the people who volunteer to do it deserve our thanks not derision.
I have very little sympathy for bad actors.I figure if a heavily tattooed former biker and drill sgt/infantryman such as myself can behave himself then there`s no excuse for bad conduct.
We all read the same rules and guidlines and membership was based on following those simple rules.

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is.


Rich Waugh's picture

Thanks Daedalus, I

Thanks Daedalus, I appreciate the kind words. I pretty sure I don't get things right absolutely every time, but I generally try pretty hard to do things with some thought first.

A bit of further poking about in the logs and archives uncovered the information that the IP addresses for gwynlaredogranger and "Rich Waaah" are identical. One logged out and the other logged in within the same minute, in fact. While I suppose it is possible for two different people to somehow show the same IP address, I don't think it's very likely. Still, I'm going to wait a bit before I react too strongly. (One reason executions are carried out at dawn is so that the hangman can sleep on it before taking irrevocable action, I think.) We'll see if I get a reply to my PM - that may tell me a bit more.

In the meantime, I'm just enjoying my power, having my serfs do the heavy lifting while I eat the grapes they dutifully peel for me. Perhaps later I'll stroll down to the arena and toss some gladiators to the lions. (grin)

Rich


gwynlaredogranger's picture

first of all, you arent a

first of all, you arent a good admin, for one i SIGNED my above post gwynlaredogranger, that alone dispels any possible doubt that i would somehow try to hide behind some fake account.in fact it was becasue you disabled my account so i couldnt reply to a direct attack on me, that i had to start that account, because you suspended my permission to post , for basically no reason at all with no dialouge or any communication. which basically tells me you are drunk with power and have a total double standard, which in turn tells me i am not interested in being a member of this forum if i cant speak my mind. im sure you can see that when daedelus refers to artists as'you people' and has disparaging comments directed at my profession , on top of essentially mocking my career choice on a forum ironically entitled ART metal,that i might take issue with that. if you want to paint me as the bad guy for not taking any unnecessary negative input then fine. both of your straw man arguments are ridiculous the fact remains that i asked for some input here and i got mocked by one guy and then the admin, whose rear daedelus sniffs,then suspends my account. do the math and quit lying on top of everything else and acting like it is some big mystery as to who posted the rich waaah account, it was me, i stand behind my work 100% you apparently do not.im outta here, i thought i could be of some use but apparently we "arteests are far too 'touchy' ,and steven fitz if you are reading this send me an email i ill hook you with some free glass, as for the rest of you .lol!

p.s daedelus -go unwind with a cup of tea, isnt that what 'you people' are drinking these days?


eligius1427's picture

With a little research and a

With a little research and a few questions, you would quickly find out that neither Rich or Daedalus were making fun of you. Rich has always been fair and wise managing this forum and would probably work this out with you if you wanted. If your going to be this sensitive however, someone else's post will eventually upset you as well. This is very unfortunate, I was looking forward to learning more about your work.

Jake

Jake Balcom
Mettle Design
Lincoln, NE


Rich Waugh's picture

Apparently you have an issue

Apparently you have an issue that I can't resolve since I didn't cause it - I will repeat - I DID NOT SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT - in fact, I checked the chrono logs back a ways and there is NO indication that it was ever suspended, blocked, or any other action taken on it - by anyone. Therefore, I can only think that either you failed to log-in correctly and decided that it was somehow my fault and not yours, or you are making this all up as an excuse to vent your frustrations and anxieties here. Either way, your comments are more than a bit over the top.

To clear up one other misconception you seem to be laboring under: I am not the administrator. Enrique Vega is the administrator of this forum. I am just the moderator. Or perhaps you are unaware that there is a difference.

The strange thing is, I'm not even aware of having disagreed with you on anything. Certainly not anything worthy of all this angst and vituperation at least. In fact, I asked your advice on glass work. Yes, I did say that carroty thing looked to me like Chihuly's work, but then every squirmy-looking piece of brightly colored glass looks like Chihuly's, since he's the only one I'm familiar with at all. Hardly a big deal worth calling me names, though. I'm frankly baffled as to why you have your knickers in such a knot and choose to direct it at me.

Nonetheless, your bit with setting up a bogus username for no other purpose than to attack me shows that you are unwilling to play by the rules that the rest of us adhere to. Since you directed all this at me, I cannot understand why you didn't just send me a PM or an email to address your issues, rather than go through all these high-school games to make your point. Or why you couldn't simply respond to the PM I sent you when this issue first reared its ugly little head.

Ah well, you've said you're going to take your marbles and go play elsewhere so you probably won't even be reading this. No problem; I'm primarily posting this reply to clear up any questions that the regular folks here might have. More entertaining for them that way, y'know?

You'll forgive me, I hope, if I don't run out and shove my head in the oven over this. I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin and criticism, warranted or not, doesn't ruffle my feathers to any degree. My life is full enough and my memory is bad enough that a month or two from now I'll probably have forgotten you were ever here. I sincerely hope you can do the same.

Cheers,

Rich Waugh
ArtMetal Moderator and official whipping boy :-)


Rob Sigafoos's picture

I also agree with Daedalus

I also agree with Daedalus and Jake. Rich has always been a wonderful and vastly appreciated asset to this forum. In the couple of years I have been here, Rich has provided me (and many others) with expert guidance and encouragement, particularly to those of us that are beginners. I am sure that I speak for the vast majority of folks here when I say thanks to Rich for all he has done for us!
Rob


Fred Zweig's picture

My support for Rich

Do not understand why there is any issue on Rich's performance as moderator. This is a non paying job that takes an incredible amount of time. There is no place for insults on this forum.
Fred Zweig
Metalsmith


Frank Castiglione's picture

Down with Meanness

Amazing,eh?

This thing went over my head.

But it was easy to sense meanness.

That is bad pizza.

Peace,Love,metal,glass,

Frank


dowpat's picture

Thanks

Rich, I would like to thank you for the job you are doing. To sort of get back to the real reason I come here (to share ideas and learn new things) and your statement about Chihuly”s work being “squirmy-looking piece of brightly colored glass”, I thought you might like this photo. This was taken in San Diego on April 28th it is called The Sun.
Pat  The Sun by ChihulyThe Sun by Chihuly: The Sun by Chihuly


KevinW's picture

Administrator is a crybaby.

Administrator is a crybaby. Nu uhh, you are.

KevinW


visitor's picture

I've learned

I've learned a great deal from everyone here directly or inderectly. My personal opinion on Rich is that he is very knowledgeable in many different things and some people like myself need that. I've said before that I'm greatful there are groups of people out there like the AM group. You're doing a great job Rich and I'm appreciative as I am with everyone else who can help me with the many things I don't know or am not sure of.


Bob Turan's picture

I agree with Rich

Rich-

I'd like to thank you for your time, your knowledge and your wisdom. Although I love this forum, I usually don't have much to say unless I feel I can contribute. And I'd now like to contribute my support for the way you monitor and moderate this forum. Good job!

Bob 2-ran


bigfootnampa's picture

Wow! Good thing you aren't

Wow! Good thing you aren't thin-skinned Rich! I hate to witness such childishly boorish behavior. The best forum I ever experienced was the old "Badger Pond"! The admin there was a social scientist (or some such) and ran the forum with a VERY tight grip. EVERY post was delayed until he had a chance to read it and no attack post survived that review process. The forum was intended as an experiment in creating a friendly social environment and IMO succeeded remarkably well. It is a strong argument for the need for strong moderator control. I am glad that you are here!


Daedalus's picture

Waxing nostalgic

Clay,if you really miss Wayne that much perhaps we could have Rich preface his intervention posts with"Here because it has to be somewhere".;^)

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is.


Rich Waugh's picture

It don't gotta be nowhere

Uh uh. No way. You're not dreaming up ways for me to have more work to do, Daedalus. I have enough trouble just typing the stuff I do already (ambidextrous maladroit that I am), and I'm not gonna be adding another whole sentence to everything I write. Nice try, but no cigar. (grin)

Rich


bigfootnampa's picture

AHA! So you too drank from

AHA! So you too drank from the "Pond"!


Daedalus's picture

Yep,then I moved to "Ellis

Yep,then I moved to "Ellis island".One of the few Maine residents there.
Good to see you here.I always enjoy your comments and insights,wherever they may be posted.

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice there is.


Rich Waugh's picture

I couldn't have survived

I couldn't have survived more than twenty years of law enforcement work if I was thin-skinned. :-) The last several years of that were at the administrative level and you gotta be really insensitive to criticism in order to survive that! In the end though, I know that I try to do my best and I'm comfortable with that. I know I'll make mistakes, and when I do, I own them.

There have been times when I've inadvertently offended someone and when that happens I apologize, make amends if I can and get on with things. The internet is a very two-dimensional medium and it is all too easy to be misread or to misread someone else. I try to be slow to take offense and careful not to give any. I truly think that almost all of the people who come here are the same way and we have a very pleasant community here. Thanks to all of you for making it that way!

Rich


Will Jones's picture

This is about the only forum

This is about the only forum type thing I subscribe to....but from the glimpses of other sites I come across while on the web, I'd say it's about the most "grown up", positive and supportive community around including, and probably in no small part due to the moderator.
Occasionally it does come across as a bit of a mutual backslapping "love fest" as my partner sometimes points out, but heck, there's enough people out there ready to undermine us without us doing it to each other, so what's wrong with a little oasis of lurrrrv here on am?
Think all this started with a bit of a sense of humour failure. But good has come out of it in that it's brought out a lot of the passion and community spirit we aspire to....it's generated a lot of positive posts.
It is quite annoying that Mr. Waugh knows so damn much, but he can't help it, and to have all that knowledge,and impart it freely, without condescension or unconstructive criticism of the work of other artists who may be still on the nursery slopes of the great learning curve, seems to me to be the mark of a generous soul with nothing to prove. Will Jones


Rich Waugh's picture

Yeah, and the older I get,

Yeah, and the older I get, the better I used to be! (grin)

Rich


Sandra G's picture

On another forum I subscribe

On another forum I subscribe to, the conversations get pretty heated but there has never been any direct name calling or other such childish behavior.

I also was looking forward to seeing and reading more about this woman's foundry and work. Too bad she.

And as others have said, I too appreciate your work, Rich.

Humbly,
Sandra


Chuck Girard's picture

O.K.

I've been reading this thread for awhile now.
I haven't posted as much as I'd like to. Typically because so few respond anymore.
But mostly because I tend to ruffle feathers. Which I have not meant to do!
That being said...........

My 2 Cents..
Rich is an amazing wealth of knowledge. Agree with him or not, he's honest with his critiques and has always come through for me with information needed. This type of art (Metal) has to much for any one person to KNOW IT ALL.
I think Rich Thinks before he answers the question. And I personally appreciate that.

I'm a Machinist by Trade, I've been one for twenty years and I still learn something new almost everyday.
I think it is unfair that anyone expects so much for so little. (From Rich that is)
After all he does this out of passion not because he has to!!!!!
No I am not a writter, so bear with me.
But I find the negative comments done without tact to be well, B.S.
I love Art and there are so many talented Artists on this site INCLUDING Rich. I just want the opportunity to share the enthusiasm with everyone else.
Isn't that what this all about.
I for one would like to see more participation on the site again. But I feel inappropriate comments are what turn people off to just about anything. Including the site.

I don't get all Butt Hurt when I send someone a thank you and they don't respond. Case and point Check out HARMONY on the recent images. I just wanted to let RICH know how much he helped me out. Nothing for personal gain.

We are all on a Journey in some way shape or form.
I would personally like to thank Rich for his help and his candor. As a mediator what more could you ask for. I think we are lucky to have such a person.

But we are all intitled to our opinions.
I don't agree with everyone all the time.
And NO I don't agree with Rich all the time.
But I'm here to Share..not Judge people.

I do want to let everyone know how much I appreciate Rich and all he does.
You've got my RESPECT!!
I haven't said that much since I was lecturing one on my Kids.. And their grown and gone!!!!

Thanks

Be Well and Enjoy!!!

Chuck


Stefani's picture

Attitudes and Perspectives

I have not been on this site in a bit and I was astounded to find that someone would spend so much time harrassing someone who seems to have been doing a fine job. I think it is good for us all to remember our human failings when lashing out at others for what we think are their failings. Its easier and you have more peace of mind when you just walk away with some grace. Everyone is affected by their perspective. I find it is good to question it before you say something on a public thread. Everyones perspective is different! Can't we all just get along and realize we all bring something to the table.
Walk away. Walk away. Walk away. Find some peace.