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serling silver allergy
revonav -
Monday, June 22, 2009 - 8:05am
A client bought 2 sterling silver wedding bands. The man's ring is turning his finger black and green and itchy. Her's is fine. He says he has never worn any rings prior to this. I assume he has an allergy to sterling silver. I was thinking of putting a fine silver interior band, thinking the copper in the sterling is doing this. Any other thoughts or suggestions? And the client says the itching and coloring is not as bad as when he first started wearing the ring. Thanks, Hey Rich, I didn't realize
revonav -
Monday, June 22, 2009 - 5:04pm
Hey Rich, I didn't realize firescale could have that reaction on skin. I'm not sure if that's the problem though. I used argentium silver, and for some reason I thought argentium had no firescale. I've been metalsmithing for less than 2 years. And I'm trying to sound professional (like I know what I'm talking about) while talking online with the customer with the green finger. So, if he sends it back and I bright dip it you think that will resolve the problem? Thanks, » reply David, You didn't initially
Rich Waugh -
Monday, June 22, 2009 - 10:12pm
David, You didn't initially say that you used Argentium, a proprietary alloy of silver that contains germanium in addition to copper. It is entirely possible that your client is sensitive to the germanium in the alloy, and not to the copper. There has only been one study done on the cutaneous absorption of germanium, as far as I know, but that study indicated that rats do absorb inorganic germanium ions through the skin, with potential health consequences. In searching around a bit, I found no studies on Argentium with respect to skin sensitivity, unfortunately. Given the lack of accurate information on skin sensitivity to Argentium, I'd probably opt to line that ring with gold, or fine silver. Gold will wear much better, of course, as fine silver is soft and susceptible to both abrasion and bending. To determine whether or not your customer is sensitive to the germanium, the copper, or the silver itself would take some skin tests that would be time-consuming and require the auspices of a dermatologist to perform properly. Gold is generally considered to be fundamentally inert as far as dermal sensitivities go, provided that you stick with alloys higher than 14k, so I'd just line the band with a piece of 28-32 gauge 18k gold and be done with it. Plating would accomplish the same thing, but would have poor wear characteristics on a person who works with his hands. Bright dipping will not remove the germanium from the surface, I don't think. So that avenue is out, unless someone who is more familiar with Argentium than I am can advise otherwise. I am still using sterling perfectly happily and don't plan to change, so I'm not a font of information on Argentium. All of the above is predicated on the assumption (dangerous, I know) that your customer is only sensitive on the skin that is under the band, in the area where perspiration is trapped against the skin with little chance to evaporate. If, on the other hand, the customer is also showing sensitivity on the sides of the adjacent fingers, then altering the inside of the band won't be sufficient to correct the entire issue, will it? You would have to change the outside of the band, too. In that case, it might be necessary to make the man's band from white gold or platinum, provided he isn't sensitive to the alloys in white gold (nickel, etc) or platinum. Damned unlikely that he's sensitive to platinum, except that he might suffer sticker shock at the price. Rich » reply David, When it comes to
Jamie Santellano -
Monday, June 22, 2009 - 9:34pm
David, When it comes to allergies I would be very cautious. I have a client that loves my work, but won't buy it, for the same reason. She says that every time she has worn Sterling Silver jewelry she has had a bad skin irritation, and only wears gold for this reason. Jamie Santellano » reply Thanks for all your advice
revonav -
Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 1:20am
Thanks for all your advice Rich and Jamie. The client was specific in that the itch and discoloration is only under the band. My initial thought was to line the ring with fine silver. My only problem now is how to line it. After making the ring I domed it. (Not sure if that's the correct term). I put the ring in a doming block and smacked it on each end. Now the ring has a slightly domed interior. Now I'm wondering how to line the ring. How do I get any lining I add to curve flush with the interior. Or does that matter? Should I just use a heavier liner and not try to curve it? Rich, I'm thinking the best thing is send the ring to you and you fix it, hehe. David » reply David, Fine silver is
Rich Waugh -
Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 12:19pm
David, Fine silver is remarkably soft when fully annealed, so you should have no problems. Make a band that will just slip inside the ring and then swage it out into the concavity of the band. To do that, I'd probably make a small snarling iron with a ball end that about matches the curvature of the ring's concavity and use that to force the fine silver band into place, followed up by a thorough burnishing with a small ball burnisher. When it feels like the fine silver is fully mated to the ring, you can solder it in place with some "easy" solder and be done. You may not need to solder it at all. I hope this solves the customer's issue. Rich » reply ![]() Cynthia Eid has done a lot
visitor -
Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 10:45am
Cynthia Eid has done a lot with Argentium and has a paper about it on her web site. On page 10, she gives the name of a developer and his email address. You could ask him about allergies. cynthiaeid.com/ marilyn » reply Hi David, I was looking
Jamie Santellano -
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 9:29pm
Hi David, I was looking around the internet and found this information on Allergies with Sterling Silver. There is a test your customer can have his doctor give him to find out about his allergy, and there might be traces of nickel in the silver you used to create the rings. Click on the Article to view the begining of it. To read the full article go to this link below: http://www.sterling-silver.ws/articles/silver-jewelry/silver-sensitivity.htm Jamie Santellano » reply |
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I would guess, based upon
I would guess, based upon the symptoms described, that the ring was not thoroughly cleaned of all firescale after manufacture. That black and green indicates oxides/sulfides of copper, the alloying ingredient of the sterling. During heating, the copper oxidizes on the surface and becomes easily dissolved in perspiration. Possibly the woman doesn't sweat as much and/or has a less acidic sweat, so she has no issues.
The solution is fairly simple, as almost no one is actually "allergic" to silver itself, though many are sensitive to copper. Simply bright dip the ring several times. Heat it to a high black heat, around 900F and quench in pickle. Do this three or four times and all the copper on the surface is dissolved in the pickle, leaving a pure silver surface. Lightly buff and you're done.
Hope this helps.
Rich