copper to copper

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I would like recommendations on how to braze together 2 pieces of copper.
I have a hammered shape (a leaf) that I would like to attach to a copper rod that will be the stem.
What kind of flux should I use?
What kind of rod should I use?
Any recommendations?


visitor's picture

leaf stem

I use easy silver solder for mine. Batterns flux. I forge, flatten and shape both ends of the wire to fit leaf or stem. Little torch oxy and acte. My favorites the stem and the leaf are one piece. the stem wraps up along the leaf when sawing. I forge it straight, roll it, shape to a long taper, roll them up into a tube. There are a bunch of other ways. I also like doing things as cold constructions. no solder. I'm currently doing a run of 100 hybiscus. there are 13 pcs to these flowers as cold constructions they take too long . Maybe I can get pics up this weekend. Brad


visitor's picture

Brad, Please post those

Brad,

Please post those pix... your work sounds awesome! Thanks for the advice... I was just about to post the same question Pam did. Pam are you psychic?

J.R.


pamolson's picture

psychotic

J.R.
no.... you smart ass. I am not psychic. more psychotic.
I think this is where I add.....
LOL


Rich Waugh's picture

If you'd like a pretty good

If you'd like a pretty good color match for the copper, your only recourse is to TIG weld it. If you can tolerate a lighter color for the joint, then silver soldering or SIl-Fos rod brazing with either Johnson's or Battern's flux wil do the trick just fine.


visitor's picture

I would silver solder it

I would silver solder it with an actylene/air torch and then pickle it with a piece of steel in the solution. This would plate a layer of copper over the silver solder and completely hide it.

marilyn

If you'd like a pretty good color match for the copper, your only recourse is to TIG weld it.


webminster's picture

Something you should

Something you should consider when choosing which method of joinery is what heat will do to the hardness of the copper. If you choose a very hot process for joining, you may find that the hammered leaf shape may loose its hardness at the joint.

If on the other hand you choose a low temperature solder, you may not destroy the hardness you have already forged into the leaf. Note though, that the lower temperature solder usually does not carry the same strength as welding or brazing.

Looking forward to seeing what you've been creating... Wink


B.J. Severtson's picture

color match and tempering

I attach leaves and stems under abour 6 power magnification. There is no excess solder at the joint. These pcs also get a rather heavy patina. I also use a little torch. It's just as hot as any other oxy fuel torch just one heck of alot smaller. I hold the leaves with my fingers when I solder stems on to them. It's fast and hot in a small intense area. Pcs leave my fingers directly to the pickle pot. From there they get steam cleaned, spend a little time in the ultrasonic and the other end gets a touch with a rubber wheel only where the solder will go. When there are 30 stemed leaves they are ready to be attached to stems. If all of this seems a little tedious, it's a matter of perspective. I find it far less tedious than pave' or channel setting russian cut two pointers. My approach is from the goldsmiths bench. For me it's all about the details. Here's a magnifier so you can enjoy them!
Next steps for me are either a Sparkie or the laser of my dreams. Brad


warren's picture

Phos Copper

I like phos copper rod. The rod melts pretty easy and no flux. There are few different levels with more silver and more expensive. But the Harris "O" is the favaroite among many. http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/consumables/alloys.asp?id=31

You can call your local welding supplier and have them order you a pound. If you use just a little bit it will blend in with the copper. It has a copper color to it after you weld and pickle. If you sand off the excessive it will leave a nickle color. It will accept all patinas and you can not see the weld. If you want a contrast then just braze using standard brazing rod and flux. Any powdered brazing flux will work. You just need to make sure to remove any flux so that it will not salt around the weld where flux was left. What you may want to keep in mind is that if you have to do any more annealing than you cannot use solder and phos copper will also start to flow. If I run into that type of situation I braze. warren


Bill Roberts's picture

I also like the phos copper

I also like the phos copper rod, or the TIG option. IF you have a TIG.......you can just cut lil strips of the copper to use as filler.
As for these processes annealing your copper. One way to reharden your copper is to "Bead blast" it in a cabinet. IF you use glass beads it leaves a very nice finish and work hardens the copper.

Bill


B.J. Severtson's picture

yet another way

Burnishing with a polished steel tool also works well for long thin shapes. Tumble finishing with steel shot is also an option. Glass beads may be a viable option as a media. Personally I have not found taking the hardness out of the leaf to be a problem. Because the leaf stem is thinner than the pcs it joins and flexes long before any stress is applied to the joints. I also like to manipulate the leaves after they are attached and full assemply of many flowers accomplished. I appreciate the softness and workability when compared to the just out of the rolling mill hardness. Enough from me. Brad


B.J. Severtson's picture

Type of joint

One reason that I don't have problems with the hardness of metal at the joint is because I do not butt weld. A lap seam at both joins puts more surface area into the join there by creating a very strong join. Sorry about the one more comment. Brad


visitor's picture

Pam, regarding Brad's last

Pam, regarding Brad's last comment... told you so. You know who