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Need help...I need to age metal parts and add a nice patina...
lostheart -
Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 2:16am
aging | patina | vintage Hi there! Thanks for the reply! Quite
lostheart -
Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 2:30pm
Thanks for the reply! » reply It's true that the pee'n
QuiQue -
Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 5:32pm
It's true that the pee'n will work. However, you need to get all that chrome coating off of the knobs first. I'm also wondering what is underneath the chrome. Is it brass? If so, then the pee will work. You may also find some antiquing solutions that work on copper/brass alloys at Home Depot or Lowe's. Again, the chrome has to be removed before anything will take to the metal surface. Removal can be with mechanical abrasion or heat. If you use heat, you will need to get the surface hot enough to melt/burn the chrome coating. An acetylene torch will do the trick. But be careful not to melt the knob! » reply Hey QuiQue!
lostheart -
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 1:34am
Hey QuiQue! » reply You got me lostheart! Chrome
QuiQue -
Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 8:56am
You got me lostheart! Chrome is naturally a corrosion inhibitor. So trying to create patinas, which are in essence corrosion chemicals, are not going to work. Maybe someone else can chime in with some advice. » reply Hmmm...see, I never thought
lostheart -
Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 1:15am
Hmmm...see, I never thought that it would be such a problem to create patina on something 'made to prevent corrosion'! Anyways...what I noticed (and I only noticed after you mentioned chrome's qualities) is that the green goo is only in the areas where the chrome is worn away! » reply ![]() The green grub in the cracks
visitor -
Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 10:37am
The green grub in the cracks was created by the acid on the skin eating through the chrome and attacking the brass. Yes chrome can be etched or even rubbed away. Or you may just want to try using some acrylic paints (like painters use on canvases) and make a color you want. Rub in end and remove the excess. » reply ![]() If I had to make some fake
visitor -
Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 6:58pm
If I had to make some fake antique guitar knobs like that, I'd start out with new ones like you have, then put them in a tumbler with a handful of small nails or screws. Tumble them until the chrome is pretty much beaten off, then put in a weak solution of ammonia and water. Tumble some more and then bury in a box of damp sawdust while still wet. Keep warm for a week or so. Remove, put back in the tumbler, this time with a few glass marbles and tumble a little while longer. You should have nice, used-looking knobs with the requisite dents, dings and cruddy cracks, and a nice soft, "used a lot" surface finish. It might take experimenting with tumbling media and time, and with the best solution for the patination. Copper sulfate will turn the brass green right away, but may be too bluish. I think the ammonia will do what you want, but I haven't tried faking any antique guitar knobs lately, either. Your mileage may vary, of course. » reply Many thanks...sounds
lostheart -
Friday, August 25, 2006 - 1:11am
Many thanks...sounds great! » reply Hey there! That link is
lostheart -
Friday, August 25, 2006 - 1:02am
Hey there! » reply ![]() green effect
visitor -
Friday, March 30, 2007 - 2:21pm
for the green try green crayon ,it wax and might give the effect ,just a thought, » reply ![]() re: ageing knobs
visitor -
Wednesday, May 9, 2007 - 9:42pm
Hi, I saw your thread about ageing guitar knobs and thought I'd help out. Those knobs in the photo are NICKEL plated not chrome plated brass knobs. Nickel ages very easily with a light dip in etchant solution and then rinsed off with a little water. Good luck » reply ![]() Aging!!!!!!!!! METAL!
visitor -
Wednesday, August 1, 2007 - 4:14pm
Okay so here is what most people do (for guitars). Say you have your piece of metal, well, first you need to ding it up and scratch off areas of chrome. Then what you do is fill a container with a small amount Muriatic Acid and hang your knob a few inches above the Muriatic Acid. Lastly cover the whole contraption with a towl so the fumes stay inside the container. Check on it after a few minutes and then ever hour or so until it is aged to your liking. This is the best way to do it. I'm pretty sure that is what fender does. » reply ![]() Aging Guitar Parts Are Simple
visitor -
Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 1:30pm
1. Get a thick plastic container, at least 12" x 12" inches square with a flat plastic lid. You can pull a part out and wipe off to see how the aging is going. Make sure you use nice rubber gloves. Leave in longer if more aging is desired. When the parts are done, pull them out and rinse off with soapy water. Make sure you oil any moving parts, like the bridge pieces,screws and tuners otherwise they might freeze up. » reply ![]() aging process.
visitor -
Wednesday, April 2, 2008 - 4:06pm
Wow.Thanks very much for the education in aging metal guitar parts. You seem very knowledgeable in this field? Do you know how to age the Plastic parts like control knobs and scratchplates? » reply ![]() Green pantina on the knurled part of the knob.
visitor -
Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 3:29pm
This might sound odd or to some a little gross, but here is a suggestion. I wear prescription (wire frame)eyeglasses. The bridge saddles that rest on my nose are made of a flexible plastic. I don't clean my glasses often, but when I do, I can't help but notice on the upper sides of the plastic nose saddles is a green crud that has accumulated since the last time that I cleaned them. I imagine that the sweat and oils from my nose mix with and tarnish my metal glasses and some of it ends up on the upper side of the nose saddles. I usually would use a tissue to clean this off, but I imagine that a tooth pick would allow some one to transfer that "green crud" to the crevasses of a guitar knob. If that method doesn't work or is not appealing, one could try this idea. Try to find a hardware solution that is copper based. Put some on the sides of the knob and let dry. Hopefully in time the copper paricles will oxides and turn green. One could probably make a solution using oxidized copper shavings (dust) from sanding some scrap copper pipe that has already oxidized on the outside. » reply ![]() A couple solutions
visitor -
Tuesday, February 5, 2008 - 4:19pm
You could start by tumbling the chrome with rocks and/or sand them. When the brass shows through you can use aging solutions. DULL BLACK ON BRASS: Dissolve copper scraps in concentrated nitric acid (caustic) dilute with half water. Dip the hardware in the solution until you get the color you like, then remove and rinse with water. GREEN PATINA ON BRASS: Mix 3 oz Cream of Tarter, 1 oz Ammonium Chloride, 7.5 ozCopper Nitrate, and 3 oz Table Salt with 13 ounces of boiling water. Apply with a sponge applicator, Q-tip, or a sponge on a stick. After you get the color you like, rinse and dry. It's best to seal with lacquer to prevent further aging. Regards, » reply Patinas on knobs
kevincaron -
Tuesday, March 4, 2008 - 9:35am
Soak them in vinager awhile, to etch the plating, then rinse with water. Urine will work next. Or go to www.ronyoungpatina.com and see these folks. If you search youtube for "sculpt nouveau" or "Ron Young" you will find several videos of his stuff in action. I have called the 800 number several times with the "Oh my God, what did I do wrong" line and they are very helpful. Hope this does not make things more confusing. » reply ![]() Hi im gearby from Philippines
visitor -
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 8:10am
uhmm..im just 14 years old..and i need help about the age of metal in the Prehistory.. its may assignment...ty » reply ![]() Etching chrome
visitor -
Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 7:39pm
Haven't tried this, but it might take the shine off the chrome. It is similar chemically to other suggestions... US patent 4,370,197 An etch solution is prepared by dissolving about 50 ml. of concentrated sulphuric acid (i.e. about 98% concentration) and about 20 g. of thiourea in about 1 liter of water. Wear gloves, respirator, safety glasses, etc. and "do as you otta, add acid to water" slowly.. » reply Please keep in mind that
Rich Waugh -
Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 7:24am
Please keep in mind that when you etch chrome, plate chrome, or remove chrome by electro-chemical methods, you are probably creating hexavalent chromium, a known and dangerous carcinogen and toxin. Read up on all the proper safety measures! Rich » reply ![]() Suspend chrome parts in
visitor -
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 - 4:54pm
Suspend chrome parts in muriatic acid fumes, not directly in the acid. Make sure parts are clean and grease free as a finger print can not allow that part to age. Leave in for about 30 mins until a nice chalky, maybe greenish fuzz builds up. Take out and leave to dry out overnight. Rinse and you should get a nice pitted result. » reply ![]() Schecter in Brazil
visitor -
Friday, November 13, 2009 - 7:58am
Hi, I have the same problem, but in the oposit order. Tanks for the support. » reply ![]() Jerry Garcia had to have all
visitor -
Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - 5:27pm
Jerry Garcia had to have all of his hardware gold plated for the same reason. A cheaper solution might be to wash your hands in baking soda before playing and then cleaning your guitar with an oil based polish after. » reply I Posted this info to
Sandra G -
Wednesday, May 26, 2010 - 1:02am
I Posted this info to JimJinxs's query about patinas also. You might want to take a look at Baroque Art Gilders Paste www.gilderspaste.com. You can apply the paste with a tooth brush work it into the recesses then wipe away the extra. They do have a verdegris green. With a little work it should look like a sweaty guitarist pounded away on it (I can say that - my husband is a musician :=)) » reply |
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There are many reciepes out
There are many reciepes out there. For the little you have to do, just a couple of knobs, now do not laugh but put the knobs in urine, dogs, or cats or your own. Dip them in and then let them dry. Couple of days they will tarnish etc. The acids in the urine will work to make the tarnish.
Old days they use to use horse manure.