In need of some advice...

So I've been thinking about what it is that I truly want to do with my work whether it be in Jewelry, or in Metal Sculpture and have always known that I would someday love to travel with my work...meaning that I would like to display my work in either shops like boutiques if it jewelry, or Art Galleries abroad...A touristy area would be best.

The thing is I absolutely don't know how to even start this kind of process. I am currently in a Gallery out in Vail, Co., and didn't have to scout this one out. As luck would have it, or just great optimization of my website I was discovered by the owner. With that said, I really didn't have to do much to sell myself and my work. She liked what I could do and wanted it in her Gallery. I am grateful for this experience, and have learned many new things about showing and selling out of state.

What I don't know is the process of selling myself and work to a Gallery Owner much less out of the country. How do you go about this sort of thing. Do you just e-mail the contact listed and hope that they respond?? Do you send them a package, and what should go in it??? I don't have a representative, nor do I have the $$$ to pay for one. Are there any guidelines to this sort of thing???

What would you do in this situation? I am interested in your thoughts on the subject.

Cheers,

Jamie Santellano


R L Sidebottom's picture

Hi Jamie First let me say

Hi Jamie

First let me say you do some fantastic work. If I had a gallery, I would make room for you.

I find most gallery owners I have approached only Central Arkansas) to be quite aloof when it comes to there place. That is there right. I took a small framed free-formed brass piece to 10 different galleries. It generated interest everywhere. Some good Some bad, and some oh well.

I got 4 reasons why they were not interested. It was "Too Abstract", "Not Abstract Enough", "You Have No Name" and "Were Not Seeking New Artist at this time, but if........".

Since you are currently in a gallery and selling pieces, that will make it much easier for you. Use the contact info from their web site and send an artist statement and a couple of pictures. Local copy shops can laser print in color on both side of 1 piece of paper. The get a quick glace of you work, get to know a little about and can find you website to check out more.

I was getting ready to do the same thing to local home builders and designers before I got hurt.

Rick Sidebottom
Aspiring Metal Artist

 Free-form brass on steel sculpture from December 2006Flying Fish: Free-form brass on steel sculpture from December 2006


Jamie Santellano's picture

RL, THANK YOU! This gives

RL,

THANK YOU! This gives me a great place to start. I know this path can be VERY challenging, however I am up for it. I feel ready to branch out, and want to do so in a professional manner.

Your input is much appreciated, and thanks for the compliment.

Your Flying Fish are awesome...love the colors.

Cheers,

Jamie Santellano


R L Sidebottom's picture

Thanks for the compliment. I

Thanks for the compliment. I was offered $50.00 bucks for it. I politely told them they could buy the framing for that. Then they said they were serious. I let them know I was too.

Central Arkansas is NOT the art capital of the state.

Rick Sidebottom
Aspiring Metal Artist


eligius1427's picture

This is something that

This is something that hopefully i will be doing later this year.

First off, you need to realize that this sort of step is much more business oriented and requires a commitment, plan, and investment. If not, you can spend an awful lot of time and money with no returns.

1) Establish a product/market. You should be able to write this out. If the store in Aspen is working well for you, then looking for similar stores in vacation spots might be a good market to look at first. Keep in mind that a retail jewelry store and a gallery will handle business differently so you will probably need a separate approach for both. Personally I would pick one or the other.

2) Set requirements for possible locations and document the results. This way you can keep tabs on elements/environments that are good or bad for your business.

3) Establish a limit. You need to know just how much product you can make and deliver. If you put your stuff in 15 stores, and it's a huge hit in all of them, can you keep restocking them with the same quality. I'd suggest a slow steady build up, but that is just me.

4) Establish the necessary returns. You need to decide how much and how often you want money in order to decide if a place is right for you. If you don't care if you make any $, then it doesn't really matter where you put it, but if you want $1000/month per location then you need to set that goal and the amount of time your willing to let a place meet that goal. You may have to tweak it later on(the goal may not be very realistic), but you need to stick to it and apply the same rules with all of your locations. Otherwise you can get into a logistical nightmare and a lot of headaches. If your happy with your goals, and a place isn't meeting them, then you need to take your stuff out and find a new location in the area. Both you and the location owner need to make $ for this relationship to work.

5) Talk to an accountant and find out what kind of taxes and fees you will need to cover with out of state/country sales. Those will have to be worked into the price/returns for this to work out.

Once you have established a plan, make the most kick ass, professional Brochure you can afford. Online print places like clubflyers.com can print them them up fast and fairly cheap from a photoshop or illustrator file, but be prepared to spend $250-$1000. This is where the plan heads south for most people, but do not, in any way, cheap out on your brochure. Take your time and make it perfect. Unless you plan to literally travel to each location to sell your wares, $250-$1000 per location, your brochure will be your only "salesman" for your work. Spend the money and make them count. Don't just pepper an entire city, research the markets and focus on the ones that will be the best match for you. That way you can spend more on each brochure. When you design them, don't put anything that will "date" your brochure. If you want to use them for dated events, then leave a blank space on them and use stickers. That way you can get more printed up at once, ie. cheaper per brochure, and not have to throw them out because the year changed. Proofread them over and over. Have other people proof read them too. Print a couple test copies on a home printer and take them around to local jewelry shops/galleries and see what they think. Even if they are not interested in your stuff, once they realize you just want their input on your brochure they'll probably give you some honest answers and suggestions(maybe even possible locations).

All in all selling in multiple locations is tough, let alone other cities and I don't even know what it would be like in other countries, so take your time, write it out, and treat it like a business plan. It's a great opportunity and I can't wait to see how it develops for you.

Jake

Jake Balcom
Mettle Design
Lincoln, NE


R L Sidebottom's picture

Have you thought about

Have you thought about writing a book?

Great advice.

Rick Sidebottom
Aspiring Metal Artist


lorrie's picture

I'm ready to buy one of

I'm ready to buy one of Jamie's pieces and Jake's new book!
Maybe you guys should go into business together.


Jamie Santellano's picture

LOL!!! Jamie Santellano

LOL!!!

Jamie Santellano


Jamie Santellano's picture

WOW! Thanks Jake, I think

WOW! Thanks Jake,

I think this information is sooooooo useful to all here on ArtMetal. Thanks for taking the time to write up such detail as to how I, or anyone else should go about this. All this information puts things in perspective. I'm going to print this one out for sure!

Along with the brochure would it be a good thing to have references, or does that even matter in this case, since it is the brochure that is the main tool?

Thanks again!

P.S. I agree with RL and Lorrie about the book!

Cheers,

Jamie Santellano


visitor's picture

1.Forget the artists

1.Forget the artists statement. 9 times out of 10 no one reads them, they are long winded and mostly full of shit, no disrespect, just calling it as it is.

2.Don't do 3 fold brochures. Try postcards at modernpostcard.com. 250 at 4"x6" are $100, postage is .27 each. Cheap. Use the best pic you have of your best piece for the postcard. Give me your address and I'll send you some of mine to get an idea. Don't do ANYTHING on an 8.5" x 11" sheet when doing printed materials, it's expected.

3.Personally I think you MUST appear to be more, but not too much more, than you really are. Sometimes you need to appear established to fool (or sell) people into thinking they need to carry your line. Once it is in, if it's good it will sell and your in.

4.None of this happens overnight. Sometimes people come around after a few years. I have had a designer on my mailing list for 2 years that never contacted me until last month. Now I'll have a dining table in the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry's "Smart Home". Sort of a big deal, but took 2 years.


eligius1427's picture

The choice to use some sort

The choice to use some sort of statement or not, or a post card vs. a brochure will depend on the market your after. Designers often keep info in 3 ring binders so full page brochures with 3 holes are the way to go for them, retail stores probably a single or double folded brochure, art gallery a flyer followed up with a portfolio. Marketing tools that work for a jewelry boutique may not work for a furniture boutique. No one style will work for it all. Marketing products is much different than marketing art, and unfortunately most of our wares count as both. The key is to find the market and research the best way to tackle it. Odds are, you'll be spending much more than $100 if you really want to tackle multiple cities and countries.

I will agree not to ever give up on a contact though, you never know when they'll need your talents.

Jake

Jake Balcom
Mettle Design
Lincoln, NE


eligius1427's picture

I think a separate flyer,

I think a separate flyer, simple and nice, with a list of stores carrying your work would help, but make sure that the stores listed are similar in scope or "better" than the one your applying to. If your trying to get into a high end jewelry store, don't list a bunch of thrift stores as references. Personal references and client testimonies i don't think will help you much, and may seem unprofessional.

You can also add photo cards of your latest work, or work that may be more appropriate for that particular market. If you need a lot of them print them up at the online flyer companies, but if you only need a couple you can print them at Kodak online, Walmart, or wherever prints up digital images. Keep them simple, with large images and basic info about the piece, but no prices. No mention of prices or money until your talking person to person.

This way you can accent each brochure and supply a "packet" for your target market with information that is appropriate for that market. If its a high end market, supply info, examples, and history of your work with high end stores, if it's a rustic market, then supply the same with work from rustic stores etc. The Brochure itself, however, stays the same. You can see how difficult it can get if you try to hit very different markets, so in the beginning, I'd try to keep the markets similar. That way your brochure can be a bit more concentrated for those markets.

Jake Balcom
Mettle Design
Lincoln, NE


warren's picture

Paid Vacation

"So I've been thinking about what it is that I truly want to do with my work whether it be in Jewelry, or in Metal Sculpture and have always known that I would someday love to travel with my work...meaning that I would like to display my work in either shops like boutiques if it jewelry, or Art Galleries abroad...A touristy area would be best."

 

 Jamie, Sounds like you want to get a paid vacation and travel around while selling. Wow wouldn't that be great. LOLLaughing Just a couple of thoughts heard through the grape vine, I think that if you are selling items in precious metal over in Europe and such I think you have to have a registered trademark or whatever they are called and the metal needs to be stamped with the content of the metal. Furthermore the duties charges and shipping over and then having to pay foreign taxes plus US takes would take one heck of a mark up. I know people that just sell in Canada and they hate it because of the paperwork and they have to do the duties thing. As far as the gallery thing the information that Jake provided is a great place to start. I do the gallery bit every now and then only to store things over the winter (naw just joking). Sometime you can do really well for your type of items and sometimes it is a gamble. Finding who your type of client and if that is what you want to sell is a priority. I find being in a couple of art shows a year gets some exposure and I have galleries calling for me to show at their gallery from seeing me at the art shows. No matter how you want to sell it all costs money up front and a lot of your time to get yourself displayed for the public to see you. Just depends on how much you want to spend......... brochures and emailing for galleries, art shows, website, commission you pay at galleries, all are costs. \www Metalrecipes -- heat and beat to the desired shape, repeat as necessary. warren


Jamie Santellano's picture

Hi Warren, Yes, your right

Hi Warren,

Yes, your right about all those details...I also know it's all doable too! It's all in what you want. This won't be a fast process, and I do have lots of time a head of me...Thanks for the reality check...

Jamie Santellano


Jamie Santellano's picture

Thanks Jake, Again, very

Thanks Jake,

Again, very useful and constructive on the advice. Mind if I contact you for a pep talk when I'm ready to pull my hair out??? LOL! =D

Jamie Santellano


copperjoe's picture

Hi Jamie, My

Hi Jamie,

My brother-in-law is a graphics artist and he owns a company that does brochures, business cards, etc. Maybe he could help you with what you need. You can contact him through his website:

http://www.theimageforge.com/who.html

He does really great work, not sure how busy he is right now but doesn't hurt to ask.
Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Copperjoe

Can't never could do Nothing!


Jamie Santellano's picture

Hey CopperJoe, Thanks for

Hey CopperJoe,

Thanks for the referral! I'll check out his site...much appreciated!

Jamie Santellano


visitor's picture

Dude, wait!

You're hot and it appears you have that rock and roll attitude. GO THAT DIRECTION, i.e. Bill Wall, King Baby, etc. Room for a lady designer I say.

And you can see what I do here: www.johnbecksteel.com


Jamie Santellano's picture

Thanks for the compliment!

Thanks for the compliment!

I do consider my work to be a bit edgy, but I don't know if it's edgy enough for that scene...

Thanks!

Jamie Santellano

P.S. you do great work!


warren's picture

Plan

Yeah Jamie you have to have the spunk that it is doable.

I guess just having a plan and trying to stick to it, but you sound about in the same predicament as I am in. Trying to figure out how much you can make and how much money to make even if you have a place to sell.
I have not done this full time and I can tell yah that the body is getting old and sore from all of the work. See I need to make another $50K of work yet this year to meet what I want to do financially. That's like a new piece every other day or two. Then how much inventory I got sitting around now what to do. But I got a plan and think it is doable.

www Metalrecipes -- heat and beat to the desired shape, repeat as necessary.
warren


Jamie Santellano's picture

Hi Warren, I hear exactly

Hi Warren,

I hear exactly what your saying, and agree. I do have a spunk about me, and sometimes it gets me in to trouble, and other times it really helps me along the way! I have learned to not give up on my dreams no matter how big or out of the question they may be. They don't always come true in the ways I plan them to be, however they do come in the ways that I'm ready for them. I had given up on the Gallery scene, and hoped for someone to notice me...just one person...that's when I received the phone call from Artful Sol in Vail. Changed my whole outlook on the Gallery scene...it came to me in the ways that I was ready, and now I'll be traveling out this year to have a show of my work.

Mindful of what my heart cries out for, I've got keep in alignment with the things that I want to do with my work. I know it sounds like I want my cake and eat it too, and why shouldn't we all have that. Most of the time the only thing that gets in the way of what I want is me.

I am really going into this full time this year, and loving it. The struggles make it real and the AWESOME miracles that happen make it all worth it.

Along with this I also realize that sometimes I get so wrapped up in the business end trying to make money and forget that I love what I do and frustration sets in. What I have forgotten to do is have fun in the process. Making time to pull out the crayons and scribble around the page like I did when I was a kid is something I should be doing more often...making time for "fun art" off sets the dry business part of it.

Dale Chihuly, my most favorite Artist does this with each of his glass pieces. He does a "drawing," with paints and looks just like a kid. He just goes for it! I've watched his videos a thousand times over, and as much as he has a seriousness about what he creates and sells all over the world he also has lots of fun! True, he is much older and has been at his craft a lot longer, so his brilliants is breath taking, but he knows what he wants and he goes after it! He has more than a plan...he works at it. I listened to one of the interviews from one of the sculptors that works for him, and it was said that Dale MUST sell all his work to make it all happen and he does. I am in no way comparing my situation to Dale's, but I see it working for him, and believe in the process.

My boyfriend keeps reminding me that there are only two things in life worth living for (he is an Artist as well) LOVE and ART...words from Coco Channel.

Maybe those are the two main ingredients that make it all happen.

Cheers to Spunk! and Predicaments!

Jamie Santellano


eligius1427's picture

Very well said Jamie! I was

Very well said Jamie! I was just going to respond to some of the latest suggestions, but you summed it up pretty well. The goal isn't to find something to make to sell, it's to find out what you love to do, what you're good at, and learn how to sell that. If someone really puts their heart, time, and passion into something, odds are somebody out there is willing to shell out a pretty penny for it. There is a market for everything, you just have to find it.

Tell your boyfriend that it's a great motto.

Jake

Jake Balcom
Mettle Design
Lincoln, NE


Tig Man's picture

Hi Jamie, My advice is to

Hi Jamie,
My advice is to put your art into something functional, makes for a wider customer/client base.
I put my art & fabrication skills into Architectural iron work, iron beds, motorcycles you name it, work your art into it, the victorians did it & so can we.
There are many who have the talent and don't know what to do with it.
Jamie you have the talent & skills, open your mind up to it & don't let the narrow minded school hold you back.
Regards the Tig Man