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source for manganese bronze
henkelrob -
Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 12:07pm
Welding Hi everybody - I'm reading Nathan Cabot Hale's book "Creating Welded Sculpture" and in it he uses manganese bronze. I can't seem to find a source for stock or rod. Anyone have suggestions, or perhaps a substitute for manganese? Does any flavor of bronze work? Rob ![]() Welding Bronze
alexandra678 -
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 8:30pm
Hi, After doing some research online I have found a lot of different alloys and wonder which would be the best to use. The expense is another consideration, as is the level of toxicity. So I welcome any advice! Thanks, ![]() welding bronze
visitor -
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 10:42pm
Alexandra, I have been doing bronze foundry work and finishing for 20 years. As to the different alloys, Everdure and Herculoy are the 2 most common bronze alloys in the art casting industry. Problem with the Herculoy (I my opinion) is that it contains zinc and 1: it fumes, spits and sputters upon welding, and 2: when heated to welding temperature the zinc burns off and thus the alloy components in the weldment changes and most all the time the weldment material takes the patina differently than the rest of the material, NOT good in an art casting. The alloy components of Everdure are copper and silicon,,,,,,,, nothing to burn out and thus the filler material is NOT different than the body materials, thus both take patination equally. Herculoy is supposed to pout more easily than Everdure (because of the zinc) but as I have never poured Herculoy I do not know this for a fact, but I am sure there it is correct. However, a bit better pouring from the zinc does not seem to out way far easier working/welding metal matching,,, again, just MY opinion. Also, Everdure does NOT have zinc fuming off while welding, but as with ALL copper alloys, you still have the toxicity of the copper to deal with as you see fit. As welding bronze materials into your pieces,,,,,,, give it a try, with both. There are also other bronzes (mang., alum, phosphor, etc.) and there are even more types of brass. "Old" sculpture was often cast in a copper tin alloy (ancient bronze) does take patina very well but I have never had to weld this alloy (but was sure fun on the patina table!!!). Hope this is help. John Dach ![]() Thanks for the Bronze advice!
alexandra678 -
Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 8:31pm
John, It was great to read your post, and way more valuable to me to hear about your experience than to read pure technical advice in a manual. This is also the first I've heard of Herculoy Bronze. You answered a lot of questions. Many thanks, Alexandra Limpert, Sculptor ![]() Manganese bronze propellers
Gene Olson -
Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 9:00pm
Manganese bronze propellers have been in common use since the invention of the screw propeller in the 1800s. It may have more to do with the guy coming into a cache of old propellors than choosing the material. They used to come up on auction once in a while and I saw people get the them for pennies a pound. (quite the investment, eh?) Extolling the virtues of whatever you happen to have makes a good sales pitch. G. Gene Olson ![]() Manganese Bronze
visitor -
Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 7:04am
Would most likely have been selected for it's exellent welding properties. Must be worked hot in a very narrow temp range (1150-1450F) Therefore, silicon bronze, wich also welds easily, and can be cold formed, and is readily available is a better bet. |
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I'm not familiar with
I'm not familiar with manganese bronze, but I use a fair amount of silicon bronze and love it. You can forge it, weld it, machine it, do almost anything with it.
Using a TIG welder, you can create invisible seams, and it doesn't outgas fumes like brass and some other bronzes. I forges either hot or cold (very easily at a low red heat), and it has a very pleasing brownish hue that really glows with handling. Tough stuff, too. High tensile strength, good section modulus, etc.
The only drawback is the price. Sheet is running around $15/lb, some bar stock the same, some a bit lower. Wonderful stuff, even if spendy!