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Tips on polishing stainless steel and brass
Glen Jones -
Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 7:20am
brass | polishing | stainless steel Hi, fellow metal artists. I am working on a coffee table design which will consist of stainless steel and brass and I am trying to improve my stainless steel polishing techniques. I am still trying to get a mirror finish but scratching is a problem I am trying to overcome. I am not sure whether it is the abrasives or tools that I am using which is contributing to the problem. I am starting the sanding process with 80 grit because of serious pitting on 8mm 316 S/S plate. The process I use for polishing 316 stainless steel is as follows: • Grit 80 • Grit 100 • Grit 120 • Grit 180 • Grit 240 • 3 stages of scotch bright • 2 stages of cotton wheel and polish (All Grit and Scotch bright stages are performed using a Stayer 7” variable speed rotating sander) Q1. I am interested in feedback from fellow artists who may have any advise to give on my polishing procedure. I have no experience with working with brass, Although am keen to start working with it. Q2. I would like to know about polishing procedures for this material and how it compares to the Stainless steel polishing process. The tarnished effect that brass rapidly obtains is a concern for an artist trying to achieve that polished look. Q3. Can this be overcome with a protective coating such as 2pack, acrylic lacquer or a wax coating of some sort?? All comments appreciated, please note I am in Australia and I may require further communication to appreciate some technical terminology differences. Regards Glen Down under ![]() I have a question on this
eligius1427 -
Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 10:10am
I have a question on this subject as well. I am about to start a project in brass, a panel that has winding overlapping pieces, which need to be polished. Would it be better to fabricate the individual pieces, polish them, and tape them up before putting the panel together? Otherwise I'm not sure how I would get into the little nooks and crannies. Jake ![]() I'd say the short answer is
Bill Roberts (not verified) -
Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 11:44am
Jake, ![]() I agree with everything Gene
Bill Roberts (not verified) -
Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 11:45am
Glen, I agree with everything Gene said. One thing that wasn't addressed in the polishing process was your "buffer". ALL your buffing wheels NEED to be isolated and protected from contamination. By that I mean, it should be in a separate "room or area" that isn't exposed to the the grit and grime of your fabrication area. And use different "wheels" for each abrasive compound. There is nothing worse than spending hours going through the stages of sanding only to find that the final polish has "somehow" left you with NEW scratches. A buffing wheel will only be good as the most abrasive compound that you've loaded it with. Meaning......you could take a rouge or final finish buffing wheel and put a more abrasive compound on it IF YOU HAD TO. But it would never be any good for the rouge or final finish polishing phase again. THIS does not work going the other way.....you would never try to use a wheel "loaded" with a coarse abrasive to then use with a rouge or final polish compound. I say this because sometimes you find yourself in a bind, for whatever reason, "needing" a buffing wheel and your unable to get a new one. As a RULE once I designate a wheel for a specific abrasive compound....it's labeled or color coded and kept in separate ziplock bags or equivalent and not cross contaminated or exposed to shop grit or grime. Sorry for getting so long winded...but I can't tell you how many times I've seen this happen. ![]() polishing
Glen Jones -
Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 4:17pm
Thanks Bill and Gene, I think I may be overdoing the polishing but using the corrct philosophy. Do you think the machine I am using is inapropriate?? Would a finer orbital sander work better, such as the type used on automotive panels? Cheers ![]() Polishing
Rick Crawford -
Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 5:04pm
When I worked for the kitchen shop (made kitchens for hospitals and restaraunts, all stainless steel work), they used a flexible shaft with buffing wheels (the round pads that are stitched together with a hole in the middle) on the end to make a pad about 6" wide (or thick). This would be hooked to a motor on a portable table which could move around the shop. They had a separate one for each grade of rouge or polish they used. Rick Crawford at Smoky Forge ![]() NO, an orbital sander is not
Rich Waugh -
Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 8:21pm
NO, an orbital sander is not the right tool for polishing. You need a real buffer, also called a buffing lathe. I'd suggest one at least one horsepower, capable of running 8" diameter buffing wheels. You also need real buffing wheels if you're going to do serious buffing, particularly on stainless steel. Stainless is notably abrasion-resistant, which makes it hard to polish. So you need very aggressive buffing compound made especially for stainless steel, and you need a wheel that will hold plenty of compound. I like the hard Airway pleated wheels. Stitched muslin also works fine. Brass is musch easier to polish than stainless, so you can get where you're going a lot quicker, and get a higher polish, too. With brass, after you finish with the sandpaper, you can to Tripoli, then White Diamond, then rouge and have a very high finish. On stainless steel, those buffing compounds will hardly cut the metal at all, so you need to start with emery, then go to a special stainless steel compound that contains microfine alumina abrasive. If you need your buffer to be manipulated by hand, then you'll want to get a high-powered flexible shaft buffing head like aout body shops use. The kind that has a one HP motor on the floor or bench and a four foot flexible shaft to the wheel. These get a bit expensive compared to a stationary buffing lathe, but they allow you to work on pieces that are too large to handle on a stationary machine. ![]() OTH on the other hand, if
Gene Olson -
Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 11:02pm
OTH an orbital pattern will accent every darned scratch you missed. while frustrating, this is good, no? Gene Olson ![]() I have polished brass until
visitor -
Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:21am
I have polished brass until my hair turned green. Lots of 316 C stainless also. My favorite tools are side grinders, a 4 1/2" and a 7", for initial grinding. I start with the roughest grit that will remove the impressions that need to be removed. This is not a process that can be farmed out to a laborer because you are changing the looks of the piece. ![]() Glen,
Bill Roberts (not verified) -
Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:39am
Glen, there are two well known lacquers that are formulated specifically for "copper based" metals. Incralac and G.J.Nikolas. For the Nikolas: http://www.finish1.com/splash.htm and for Incralac, made by StanChem a google search will find tons of info. bill fwiw, I use Nikolas. But I've also had great results with the Incralac. ![]() polishing brass
visitor -
Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 6:12pm
I am a silver smith and welder and a glass lampworker I use silver buffing componds on brass and the things i made 4 years ago still are shinny and dont dull it is awesome. First you must pickkle it thats a dilluted sulferic acid solution you can get at most jewelery supply stores then buff out the scathes then use the final polish compound and blam it looks like gold and stays shinny if it does dull u just clean it soap and water or windex and bam shinny once more. the acid solution should turn the brass pink then u know its done. ![]() Polishing tips
Bob Turan -
Friday, January 16, 2009 - 4:03pm
A few years ago I took a one day finishing course from an abrasive company, J Walter, Inc. that featured their products. I have been buying them since. They showed us how to go from rough welds to mirror finish in a few steps with their "Quick-Step(TM)" system. It's a backing pad that fits on your angle grinder, and various flex wheels, abrasive pads and felt buffing pads quickly attach with a good hook and loop system. They have a trial pack that made me a believer - their product number is 07-Q 953. Here's a couple of links: (lots of other good stuff ontheir site) http://www.jwalterinc.com/walter_us/servlet/ProdSummary?franchise=abrasive&criteria=appl&category=15&cbopgroup=80 ![]() polishing brass
brasss -
Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 2:38pm
We send all our brass polishing to hammonds in longford ireland, they use stand up double ended polishing machines 3 hp with taper spindles, and only use M&T compounds, there compounds are made of scratch free abrasives. On large work they use flexi hose machine with a six inch buff. Keeping the buffs clean and try is very important. They use Abrasive nylon buffs, to remove old laquer or other marks, this wheel comes in different grades, next a stiched cotton wheel, using fine high/cut abrasive compounds gray in colour, they finish with loose leaf buff, for sheet brass they finish also with extra soft buff or a extra soft pleated cotton buff,the final finish compound is white in colour. This company is very expensive, but the finishing is top class. |
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You are doing too much work and wasting paper and money.
When you go from rough to smooth the object is to get there as fast as possible. (unless you are really into penance)
The object is to even out the surface.
You grind down the high spots, that seems obvious.
Then you have scratches.
Get rid of scratches by sanding you need to sand with a finer grit until you reach the bottom of the scratch THEN STOP.
Now you have a new set of scratches to get rid of, and for those we need to use a finer grit.
The most efficient progression for stock removal is to double the grit each time.
If your deepest scratch is like something left by 24 grit paper, start with 40 grit.
Sand that scratch until your paper scratches a FINE line across the bottom of the offending scratch and
STOP
Take the 40 grit and apply a recognizable pattern, swirls, straight line, whatever. . .
Now split the grit size, go to 80 grit sand till the pattern left by the 40 grit goes away.
STOP
Now leave another simple pattern with the 80
now take a 160 grit sand off the the 80 pattern,
STOP make a new pattern
are we seeing a pattern here? 320, 1000 2000 rouge what have you
Gene Olson
Sculptor
Elk River, MN