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tool steel for power hammers
Giusseppe -
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 6:38pm
I am making a lot of new tools for my power hammers and I am not sure what the best steel in north america is. I have seen S7 mentioned and H13. Does anyone have recomendations ? ![]() G-pepsi, There's no real
Rich Waugh -
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 9:37pm
G-pepsi, There's no real reason to use H13 for power hammer dies. H13 is best for uses such as hot cutters, etc where you have a thin section that is exposed to heat under use. For power hammer dies, I like either A2 or D2, as both of them have good resistance to abrasion. You're unlikely to dent your dies that much, providing you aren't trying to work either cold steel or super hard stuff, and the greatest wear factor I see on my dies is from scale chewing up the surface. Properly hardened D2 is the best I hae found for resisting that wear. I haven't tried A2 for dies, only because I don't have any on hand in big enough sections to try. For dies that you are just trying out a new configuration, I'd suggest using plain old A36 structural steel or 4140 and giving it a case harden with Kasenit #3 case hardening compound. That will take care of the surface wear from scale abrasion and allow you to try out new designs without having to go through any complicated heat treatments. One thing to keep in mind on all steels for power hammer dies is that hardeening is, in many cases, a function of the sectional thickness. Thus, a deep-hardening alloy such as 4340 might be a good bet, particularly if you case harden the surface for abrasion resistance. Just a thought. ![]() I guess it depends on the
Ries -
Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 12:40pm
I guess it depends on the tool- Now if you are actually making dies for the hammer, thats different- I would use one of the steels Rich recommends for that. ![]() thanks
Giusseppe -
Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 5:51pm
thanks for all the info ... now to find the stuff somewhere .... ![]() sledge
Giusseppe -
Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 6:02pm
I have a lot of old hammers, particularly sledges ....what steel are they usually made of in North America ? They seem to work well as tools under the power hammer but I am not sure how to heat treat them as I am unsure of their alloy. ![]() Guisseppe, Most of the
Rich Waugh -
Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 10:05pm
Guisseppe, Most of the American hammers I've dealt with seem to have been made of 1045 or thereabouts, a plain medium-carbon steel. Some of the newer makers of custom hammers are using 1045H or even 4140 or 4340, (deeper-hardening steels), I believe. I have some from Nathan Robertson that are particularly nice and I believe he's using the 1045H. The heat treat I've used successfully is to forge to shape and then normalize twice. After normalizing, heat to critical or a few degrees above, and quench. I draw the temper by heating the eye area with a torch until it reaches a very low red and let the color run until the face(s) get to a deep straw or purple. They usually come out just a bit softer than my anvil face or power hammer dies that way and don't spall. I don't like the struck faces to be soft - that leads to mushrooming and later flying chips as they work harden and break off. What's good for the striking end is good for the struck end in my book. For punches, fullers and swages I like to use salvaged Nascar racing axles. They're an alloy near to 4140 in general characteristics, but I can use them as normalized with no further heat treat in most cases. Hope this helps. Rich ![]() normalise
Giusseppe -
Friday, October 31, 2008 - 7:46am
Hi rich, yes they seem to behave like 4140 ( as do the odd axle that I use)..up to now I have simply carved into them without heat and they seem to retain their shape .... I am not sure that I understand "normalize" .. do you mean a heat soak with a slow cool ? |
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Tool Steel
Hi Giusseppe,
A have a couple of recomendations: A2 (Air Hardens)
D2-D7.
Very easy to find, I like A2 Tool Steel for it's tough properties, but most of all for the hardening process.
Heat then Air Cool!
There is no oil quenching.
"D"series is very common to the "S" series for Dies But has a little better resistance to the pounding a power hammer will deliver.
The steels you have mentioned will also work Quite well.
There are so many exotic Steels to Choose from. The question I would ask myself is how will Heat treat them.
Most of the Dies I have made for the Tool and Die Industry use the Most of the Steels mentioned.
Hope this helps.
Chuck