My new toy is comming soon

Hey guys, I've got a new toy comming soon, a Plasma cutter. I've been looking into it for a while know but I need your advices. there's a site called "bosstools" that advertise a Plasma cutter 10-30Amp by WeldKing that is really affordable ($590). On the other hand, the Spectrum® 375 X-TREME from Miller is very tempting to but it's $1500.

After thinking it over and over, I think I will go for the Miller one. What would you do guys? Tell me what you think....

Oh and by the way, since french is my native tongue, you will have to forgive my writing or you can tell me how to access the spelling check program.

Thanks

Gillis


kevincaron's picture

I love Miller tools. Use

I love Miller tools. Use mine all day and never had a problem.
I always try to get a machine that is half again more than I need so I have room to grow. The Miller will serve you very well for years to come.


eligius1427's picture

I have a Hypertherm plasma

I have a Hypertherm plasma and a Miller tig. I love both machines and they're both respectable and reliable companies. I vote for the Miller Spectrum. My gut feeling is you'll pay the $1500 one way or another, either one Miller or three Weldkings.

Jake


gillis's picture

your right

Thanks Jake,

I should not cheap on such a tool.


Rich Waugh's picture

30 amps is a small plasma

30 amps is a small plasma cutter, really. The 10 amps is about useless.

Get the Miller, or a Hypertherm. If you get a cheap unit, you'll hate yourself when it inevitably needs service, or when you find out that the consumables are proprietary and nothing else will fit it. Stick with the big name brands for thing like this.


gillis's picture

Hey Rich

Thanks for your advice. I know it's a small plasma but the specs of the 375 Xtreme from Miller are 3/8" rated, 1/2" quality and 5/8" sever. Since I mainly work with 1/8" mild steel or black steel, I think it will do the job, don't you think?

If you take a look at the yak gallerie, I'm working on a big Dragon and this will give you an idea of the thikness I'm working with.

Anyway thanks again.

Gillis


R L Sidebottom's picture

I have a hypertherm 600. It

I have a hypertherm 600. It will do 3/8" like butter. The best bang for the buck for me. Both are good units.

Rick Sidebottom
Aspiring Metal Artist


SteelyJan's picture

Different brand...

I bought an LTech almost twenty years ago....it was around $1,800.- then. It paid for itself the first commission. it will cut up to 1/2" slowly but it's lasted all this time with only a few minor repairs. It's a work horse.
Hidden expenses are the electrodes which burn out...nozzles, tips. I don't know if the Miller plasma cutters have replacable electrodes????
Good luck...it's a fun tool and you will do alot with it. Janet R.


Ries's picture

Those cheapo plasma cutters

Those cheapo plasma cutters on ebay are chinese- with no warranty, no brick and mortar US sales or service- just individuals who order a few from china, and resell em.
No guarantee that if it ever breaks, it is fixable, no reliable local source of consumables.

Not worth buying, if you ask me.

In plasma cutters, the two big names are Thermal Dynamics and Hypertherm.
Miller and Lincoln make a few, but their main business is in welders, not plasma cutters.
TD and Hypertherm are in every real commercial shop.
I know a guy who repairs welders and cutters- he swears by Hypertherm above all else.

All plasma cutters use up consumables, and all of them are expensive. Price electrodes and tips before you buy- and realize that the more piercing you do- that is, the more times you start a cut in the middle of the sheet, the shorter the life of your ten or fifteen bucks worth of electrode and tip.
I always change both at once- otherwise a worn part will wear the other out prematurely.
Also remember you need a LOT of air. Big compressor, the bigger the cutter, the bigger the compressor. My three phase 7 1/2hp with the 90 gallon tank is just barely big enough when I am machine cutting. 10hp would be better. For a small plasma cutter, realistically you need a 5hp compressor.
And you need very clean and dry air- I recommend a "toilet paper" style MotorGuard air filter, in addition to a regular water trap on your air line.
Wet air wears out expensive consumables, and makes for cruddy cuts too.


man of mettle's picture

iron pipe

good advice. i also have a hypertherm. works wonderfully.

another tip for dry air -- run the air through a lot of black iron pipe before it reaches the filters and traps. in other words -- put the compressor as far away as possible from the outlet so the air has time to shed the water.

keith


gillis's picture

concerning the pipe

Hi Keith, how long a pipe should I use so the air as time to shed the water. WOuld a 6 feet pipe make any difference?

gillis


visitor's picture

Air dryer via pipe

Several sections of pipe are needed. The first section should extend verticaly from the compressor as high as practical, then any pipe needed to convey air to remote locations should be pitched so as to rise away from the compressor, allowing condensed water to drip back towards the tank. Finaly, anywhere an outlet is required, a tee should be employed, with a drip leg down, with a drain valve at the bottom, and a verticle riser, with air outlet attached. The point is to cause the air to flow uphill, away from the water flowing downhill. John Christiansen


man of mettle's picture

piping

good day, gillis..

go to: http://www.tptools.com/lp2/Tech_Notes.html

tp tools has a .pdf for download that shows exactly how to install the piping. it suggests 75 feet, but that is a lot of pipe and my shop -- for one -- isn't nearly big enough for that. so i would go with the longest length possible; put your compressor in one end of the shop and the cutter in the other.

keith


Rich Waugh's picture

Gillis, What I did for my

Gillis,

What I did for my air hammer was to obtain a second receiver tank of 60 gallons and put it right next to the hammer. There is a 60 gallon tank on the compressor itself, then thirty feet or so of piping to the secondary receiver, then four feet of pipe to the hammer. I get no moisture in the moisture trap at the hammer, and that is in a very humid tropical climate.

The secondary receiver acts to slow the velocity of the air coming down the line to the point of use, allowing moisture time to condense and drop out. One problem with high-volume items is that the air has no time to cool and lose moisture before it gets to the point of use. If you have lots of pipe you can get around this, but it will take eighty or a hundred feet of pipe, I would guess. Less if the pipe is copper, which conducts heat much more rapidly than steel. You can put a coil of copper tubing in the line before your plasma cutter, but be sure to provide a collection/drain point for the accumulated water.

You do have a coalescing water filter at the cutter, right? If not, get a good one like a Norgren or Parker. Mount it right at the cutter, not on the compressor. The air coming out of the compressor is too hot for the filter to work at its optimum, but down the line a ways the air has cooled and the filter will work great. You can also get the type of filter that uses an element like a roll of toilet paper or an oil filter core. These are recommended for industrial plasma cutters, and they definitely outperform the coalescing type, but at an increased cost. They also have to be serviced regularly.