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Fireplace door making
Gerald Boggs -
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 9:10pm
Blacksmithing Greetings this fine evening I'm hoping to start a fruitful dialogue on fireplace doors. The areas I'm thinking of are: Latching system, Hinging, Fitting the frame or no frame, Installation, and Finishes So with that, I'll start the ball by writing what I know. Here's my first fireplace door. It doesn't have a frame, but instead is installed on pintles. What I did was build the frames to fit as closely as possible to the stonework, while still leaving a small gap. I fabricated bolt-on pintles, for the top and bottom. Both are adjustable. They need to fit directly under the doors, otherwise you need more of a gap for opening and closing. The latch is basically the same one I'll use on all my doors. It's a simple gate style and provides positive locking. Several of my clients have expressed concerned about shifting logs knocking the doors open and starting a fire. For installation, I drilled holes into the stonework and epoxied a sleeve in the top holes and made a drop-in decorative sleeve for the bottom holes. There's always a small amount if stress when drilling the holes, with the liking bits have of shifting. Here's a close-up of the top pin And here's a second example: Here's one I did around Christmas. It's a angle iron frame with a hinging system like you find on most wood stoves. It's pretty easy to do and allows you to make pins with large decorative tops. For most of these doors, I've used a heavy screen and have it rolled flat at a friends shop. Because it's heavy, little stretching is needed (still be nice to hear some ideas on that) and you can attach decorative elements directly to the mesh. Installation is done by drilling four holes in the frame and attaching straps that are lag bolted into the brickwork. Works well, but I feel the straps are unsightly. Close-up of the hinges: Here's my last door. Everything went well, but I'm disappointed in myself. I was so focused on the hinges and installation, that I failed to take advantage of all the clear brickwork. Just think what I could have come up with if I had used my imagination. However, here I was able to solve a couple of things I had been worry about. I like to use rolled hinges, but with the door frames overlapping as I have in the past, it a lot of fiddling to get them even. So this time, after I had build the frame, I welded a lip all the way around the inside and build the doors to fit inside the frame and the lip provides a backstop and spark block. Since both the frame and doors are out of 3/16, I get a flush fit. The other thing I did different was how I installed. ( I got this for a gentleman over on IForge) Instead of drilling into the stone or brick, I tapped holes into the frame every 5-6 inches. I used 1/4-20 bolts and ground down the tips to a sharp point so that they would grab better. This technique will only work in a framed door. The installation works on a friction fit. I walked in with the doors, slid them into the fireplace, tightened down the bolts and in fifteen minutes, done. It works really well. All those little points of contact insure a tight fit without having to drill into the house. Here's a close-up of the lip and tapped holes: Ok, I've proofread this, but tomorrow I'll look and see all sorts of mistakes. Gerald, Thanks for the
R L Sidebottom -
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 - 10:32pm
Gerald, Thanks for the post, it came just in time for the first screen I am working on. I'll try and get some in progress pictures. Rick Sidebottom » reply Your fireplace doors look
webminster -
Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:09am
Your fireplace doors look great. They have the hand crafted look to them. I think your last method of using a "friction fit" is the easiest and best way for placing framed fireplace inserts. I use the same method except I only use two 1/2" diameter bolts on each end. The angle iron frame is thick enough to overlap the fireplace opening so that I can get a tight fit. I also want to recommend the use of self-standing fireplace grilles as an alternative. If done properly, they can give you as tight a fit as the inserts, and you don't have to do an installation at all. Here's a picture of the end of one of my self-standing fireplace grilles. I incorporated the handle and the foot rest into one forged element. This particular piece went to a client in New Zealand. No way I could have done an installation on this one, and the client liked the idea of a removable fireplace screen because he said when he sold his house, he was planning on taking the screen with him. Keep up the good work Gerald! It's really nice to see some traditional hand forged metalwork. » reply ![]() Bronze screen
visitor -
Friday, March 21, 2008 - 5:05am
That looks like bronze window screen. What is the longevity of that material? I have used it and received negative feedback from the customer » reply I've had no negative
webminster -
Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 8:10pm
I've had no negative feedback. The bronze should last much longer than any steel mesh. The weave is tighter than most fireplace screens. The only drawback may be in viewing a fire, but I would think the fire would be seen fine once a fire is going in the fireplace. » reply ![]() great looking free standing
Bill Roberts (not verified) -
Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:47am
great looking free standing screen, Enrique. I loved that design when you did the fireplace doors. Did you change the design a lil? So that they both have a "one of a kind". bill » reply The original fireplace
webminster -
Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 8:26pm
The original fireplace screen was an actual insert. Here's a link to a photo of it and the original commission in 1995. It's interesting how the Internet has changed over the years and the benefits we all get from this new communications tool. The client had seen the original and wanted a copy of it except that he wanted a free-standing screen instead of the insert. I see both of them as being "one-of-a-kind" for the reason that each element is hand forged and not cast, plus the evident functionality. » reply Thank you everyone for the
Gerald Boggs -
Friday, March 21, 2008 - 7:15am
Thank you everyone for the complements. QuiQue, thanks for the ideas, the handles/legs are great. For screen material, I get mine from this company. If you buy it by the roll, the price is so ever so much less. http://www.darbywire.com/index.htm Gerald Boggs » reply |
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Attractive
Hi Gerald,
Your fireplace doors look attractive and very sturdy. Can't say anything from experience, sorry.
Frank