aluminum to steel????

Welding

can you weld or braze aluminum to steel???

a friend is building a robot for a school project and wants to know about connecting these materials.

thanks,
george


don johnson's picture

I keep hearing being able to

I keep hearing being able to weld steel to aluminum. It has never been proven to me and I don't think it is a reliable joining of metals.

Anyone to add more?

Don


visitor's picture

The only way I would join

The only way I would join the two would be to use a

polymethylmethacrylate composite. This stuff is used on airplane structures to join parts where drilling and riveting would lessen the strength of a subassembly. Be careful though the the stuff is toxic. Wear respirator rubber gloves etc. It is tough as hell strong bond product name Equilox sold by Centaur forge


johndach's picture

aluminum to steel bonding

John Dach
john@MLCE.net
web site: http://www.MLCE.net
I have seen "kits" at boat shows for sale that will "weld" just about any metal to just about any other type of metal. Different rods for different metal combinations. Not cheap but not bank breaking either.

The other thing that MAY work, depending on how much stress si going to be put on the bond area, is using a product called LEXOR (I think that is the name, I know it starts with an L and has an X in it). It is a caulking compound for windows and other needs, is water clear, is a solvent base and is TOUGH. If you ever use it to put in a car windshield, you will destroy the car getting the stuff off. VERY sticky, not terribly expensive and available at your local hardware store.

John Dach


Chris welds's picture

AL to Steel

There are some very limited methods for actually welding ferrous to non-ferrous alloys. Unfortunately though, these processes do not lend themselves to the hobbyist or even most welding professionals as they typically require very specialized tooling and equipment. The most effective method that I have used involves a GMAW type process with AL wire and a dabber type wire feeder cycling at about 40 cycles per second with the welding current and voltage tuned to compliment the dabber cycle. Heat shunting is very important to limit the size of the heat affected zone and control cooling contraction in the dissimilar metals. I use water cooled copper bars on both sides of the work-pieces and joint.
Fronius, a welding equipment supplier, has at least one dabber style GMAW gun on the market, so perhaps in the future these technologies will be more readily available.

Go with cool bolts!


visitor's picture

You cannot do this on a

You cannot do this on a small, cheap scale.
there are processes for welding steel to aluminum- but usually they involve explosive welding- with high costs, done in controlled circumstances, and using proprietary techniques.

So if you must have aluminum welded to steel, and money is no object, its possible to have it done. I have a friend who is installing a new vacuum cleaner on his boat- a 50hp vacuum that vacuums whole, live salmon out of the holds of fishing boats and into his tender, for freezing- and it uses a stainless steel to aluminum system in the pump- but the material was explosively welded together, and took months to get, and it was NOT cheap.

Use rivets, bolts, glue, wire, duct tape, clamps, or bubble gum.


don johnson's picture

This is a school project

This is a school project usually meaning low bucks and low experience, I would go with bolting the pieces together. A robot is a work in progress, and expect to take it apart and do it again, and again. I have often built at least three robots before getting a working version, and even then it was a work in progress.

Lots of good inputs, but many are beyond student level.

Don


visitor's picture

Al-Ss brazing

Hello there,

yes you can Al-Ss joint very easily.

you have to a brazing alloy of composition Zn98Al2 and a flux paste - Al Flux 028 Cs/D (of company Flux GmbH).

Regards,

Eyup Karaca.
Istanbul-Turkey


jolly roger's picture

They can be soldered.

I can't give you the exact info right now, but there is a solder that sticks aluminum to steel, or just about any other metal for that matter. I have used it on alum to steel and alum to copper as well with good results. It's fairly inexpensive and can be done with a bernz-o-matic torch. It comes as a soldering paste or as paste flux and wire solder. Use the same tehnique as silver solder. I would give you the info but I left the stuff with my dad and he is on vacation right now, and my memory is pretty much short term anymore, LOL. I like the rivets and screws idea myself though.


visitor's picture

Explosion can join aluminum to steel

The only two ways I could see to join aluminum to steel would be either by friction stir welding FSW or by using a Bi-Metallic explosion welding (piece are generally already joined by explosion and sold as is). Bi-Metalic has been very popular in the marine fields to attach the steel shell to aluminum superstructures.

Alex, P.E.

www.maadigroup.com


visitor's picture

I have a millermatic 210 mig

I have a millermatic 210 mig welder and a spool gun and I used silicon bronze wire and it work great for welding aluminum to steel