Painting 101 help

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Hi all, After all of the trouble I had with the powder coaters and the two painters i tried, I'm going to start painting/finishing as much of my own work as I can. I'm starting with this wind vane project which has been sitting in my garage waiting for a finish for a couple of months now. It requires a rust like finish so I am going to try the iron rich paint that Peter used on his fountain and would like some verification and advice on the process.

I plan to start with a Zinc rich protective coat from Clearco over a sandblasted surface. Either the High Performance Zinc Spray which comes in aerosol cans (93%zinc) or Clearco Zinc Rich Primer(90% Zinc) which can be brushed, rolled or sprayed. Any preferences over the product or application method? Here are the links:

http://clearcoproducts.com/cold_galvanize_sprays.html
http://clearcoproducts.com/cold_galvanize_primers.html#1

Next I was going to apply a primer of some sort, but I'm not exactly sure what type i should use. I've been looking at Aluthane which I guess has aluminum in it and can be used for both a primer and a topcoat. (http://www.epoxyproducts.com/e_nonepoxy.html)

Then I would apply Liquid Iron and Instant Rust from Porters Paints.

http://www.porterspaints.com.au/content/products/pdf/LIQUIDIR.PDF

I'd rather not put a clear coat over the rust if I can help it, I like Peter's idea of letting it evolve and weather, but i am open to the idea if it's necessary.

The plan is then to let it dry, wrap it up, deliver it, and finally get paid.

Thoughts or suggestions?

Jake Balcom
Mettle Design
Lincoln, NE


PeterG's picture

Jake I usually ask the paint

Jake

I usually ask the paint suppliers what primer they recommend. They should have the best idea. On my last job they supplied "Haymes Galvanised Iron Primer". It was the first time I had encountered a primer specifically for galvanised surfaces and I hope it does the job. I have always been worried about any paint being able to stick to galvanising.

Please let me know how it all goes.

Good luck.

Peter


eligius1427's picture

Thanks Peter, even though

Thanks Peter, even though the base coat is zinc I'm not sure it would be considered galvanized or not. I'm going to contact the suppliers today and ask them what they suggest.

Jake Balcom
Mettle Design
Lincoln, NE


Rich Waugh's picture

Jake, I like to spray my own

Jake,

I like to spray my own paint, rather than use rattle cans, though for the 90% zinc stuff it probably doesn't really matter that much. Be sure to let that stuff dry at least overnight, and preferrably two full days, before you paint over it. It has very little binder so it needs to fully polymerize before anything goes over it or it weakens it.

For the intercoat primer, I like a good iron oxide primer, either epoxy-based or acrylic enamel automotive paint. Expensive, but worth it. Once that is dry, whatever you put over it will stay, as long as you pay attention to your compatible chemistries. Some paints don't work and play well with others, if you know what I mean. That's one reason I like to stick with automotive paints for the most part, as they tend to play nicer with each other and the manufacturers are pretty decent about telling you what goes well with what. With specialty paints like the iron-rich stuff Peter used that is intended to rust, you should definitely talk with the manufacturer's technical advisor and find out what they recommend as a primer for it. I suspect you could have intercoat adhesion problems if you don't do the right thing.

Some galvanized metal primers (the ones intended to prime galvanized metal), are made with an etchant included to cut the "sheen" on hot-dipped galvanizing so that the paint will adhere. You don't want to use on of those over most of the 90% zinc primers. The 90% zinc primer has a very "open" or "toothy" finish that is designed to be receptive to topcoating and the etchant in the primer for galvanized metal may penetrate through it and affect the steel underneath, causing problems down the road a couple of years.

When in doubt about relative compatibilities of different paints, remember that it almost never hurts to use an "intercoat barrier." This is a product that is so benign that it doesn't affect any paint and creates a barrier between different paints. Auto paint stores sell to people who want to put lacquer over enamel and don't want to get sand-scratch swelling due to the hotter solvents in the lacquer burning the enamel.

I hope this is of some value to you. I think you're definitely doing the right thing to take control of your finish work yourself. You may not actually enjoy the work, but you'll definitely enjoy the peace of mind you get knowing that the painting was done correctly and on-time.


eligius1427's picture

Thanks Rich, I was hoping to

Thanks Rich, I was hoping to hear from you. I'll call the company today and ask about compatibilities between paints. We have a pretty good automotive paint store here so if i need to go the route of a barrier I think they would probably have one. I've never set up a spraying rig so I may be back on to pick your brain a little more.

Thanks for all of the info, it's invaluable.

Jake Balcom
Mettle Design
Lincoln, NE


visitor's picture

current paint applications

Part of the work that we do is to replace failed paint coatings on outdoor sculpture.

Current best practice is to air abrade to "near white metal" finish, removing all mill scale.

Coat with a high build epoxy primer.

Top coat with either a catalyzed urethane and a UV resistant clear coat, or a silicon alkyd.

The choice is based on the type of environment and maintenance that the sculpture will be expected to receive. The silicon alkyd can be touched up easily and the urethanes must be sanded first.

Sacrificial zinc coatings are not used.

You can see some work at: www.mckaylodge.com

Best regards, Tom


warren's picture

Some good answers

Jake, you really brought a good question and got some really good answers. If you use urethane like a Dupont Emeron for top coat it will really come out nice, but you have to rust it, oh well.

Now before you go asking about spray guns,I suggest, go to your local autobody paint supply place. Get you a good but not the best spray gun form them. Maybe Brinks, I have a Sharp. But anyhow they are worth there money.

www Metalrecipes -- heat and beat to the desired shape, repeat as necessary.
warren