rebuilding little giant hammer

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Hey all, does anyone know how difficult it is to rebuild a little giant 25# or 50# powerhammer? I found a few that might be a good price, but I'm not sure whats involved with the rebuild, can a weld shop do it or does it need a machine shop?

Jake


Rob Sigafoos's picture

Jake- I looked into it

Jake-
I looked into it before I bought my air hammer. There are several sites on line and some litterature around about rebuilding them. It seemed like too much work, too much of a learning curve, and too much time away from what I really wanted to do. The economics really didn't make sense for me. Do you already have a power hammer, and this is a second one for you?
Rob


eligius1427's picture

Hi Rob, no this would be my

Hi Rob, no this would be my first. I keep threatening to build one, but never seem to find the time and would rather not pay $5000-$10000 for a new one if i don't have to. Saw an add for these and thought I'd ask about rebuilding.

Jake


Giusseppe's picture

false perspective

do what you do best and get a new one .... you will never save as much as you could have earned in the same time ...


Rob Sigafoos's picture

Jake- I have a #110 Blue Max

Jake-
I have a #110 Blue Max hammer which I have been very happy with (had it about a year). I don't have the experience with power hammers that others here do, but learning to use it was a snap. I do everything with it now including making breakfast and brushing my teeth. It runs great on my 7.5 HP, single phase compressor. They have many dies available and are easy to change.
Rob


Rick Crawford's picture

Hammer rebuild

I would like to let you know, but I can't get the clutch off the shaft. I need to get it off to get at the flywheel which is broken. (I am working on a 25 now.)
Actually, any reasonably good mechanic should be able to rebuild one of these as they are NOT hi-tech.They were originally put together with a wooden ruler, if I remember correctly. Not hi-tech as I say.

SmokyRick
Rick Crawford at Smoky Forge


Giusseppe's picture

not complicated

I just want to reassure you that old power hammers that have a caste body are very straightforward .... the basic moving parts are logical and rarely need more than a bronze bearing replaced ( which any machine shop can make ).
The only headache is the rings ...I have muddled along for years with my Masseys and they have been moved around the world a lot when I do my in situ extravaganzas ...there have been times when they were working with cardboard and grease soaked ropes as gaskets .... I am not a perfectionist when it comes to machinery but they have been very loyal to me .....

From your writings I would guess that you are a fastidious person so you might not be able to sleep knowing that something is improvised so I have to warn you that Power hammers have this tendency to play tricks on you and demand your attention at awkward moments ...don't get too obsessed with making them perfect or they will take over your life ...

Think of them as a big guy with a sledge that needs talking to nicely and occasional feeding.


Rich Waugh's picture

Jake,Typically with LG's

Jake, Typically with LG's you wind up needing to re-pour babbit bearings on the mainshaft, fixed a cracked sowblock, (after fighting to get the die key out), usually rework the guides and replace the spring and possibly repair or replace the arms. Little Giants were very near the bottom of the line as far as power hammers go when they were new. The smaller 25# and 50# LGs were aimed at the farmers and small rural blacksmith shops and weren't nearly the quality of a Fairbanks, a Beaudry or a Bradley, to name a few.

Since you seem to be a busy guy, with work coming in regularly, I'd think it would be a waste of your time to mess around trying to rebuild a hammer you don't really know intimately enough to fully and correctly diagnose before buying. You could get a real lemon that isn't even possible to rebuild.

For about $7k you could get a brand new 100# or bigger Iron Kiss air hammer, arguably the best one currently built. At least in my opinion. They're made in Baltimore, MD, so you'll have to pay some freight, but it would be worth it to get a hammer that runs perfectly right out of the box, so to speak, and has the power and control that other hammers only envy. http://www.ironkisshammers.com 

You would, of course, need a good air compressor to operate an air hammer, but you neeed a compressor in the shop anyway.

If you are determined to have a LIttle Giant, then by all means contact SId Suidmeir, the owner of the Little Giant name these days. He rebuilds them, stocks some parts, and is free with advice. He's also in Nebraska, which should be pretty handy for you. http://www.littlegianthammer.com/

Good luck, what ever you decide to do.


kpotter's picture

Air hammer

Kevin
"Bigger tools make bigger things."I have helped rebuild a couple of LGs and they are real simple I am making a new set of dies for one this week. I used an LG a couple of times and then got to use an air hammer and I was sold, that is realy the way to go if you like lots of control over the blows. I built a ron kinyon style hammer except I made it bigger and heavier. I used a train axle for the anvil and a piece of 4x4x18 for the ram and a 2.25inch cylinder. I still need to finish hooking up the air to so I have not run it yet but it is alomost there. I have a 7.5hp Quincy compressor to run it I think that will be ok I wont be running it all the time. I will try and post a pic of it .


Rich Waugh's picture

With a flying weight of

With a flying weight of around 90#, that 2.25" cylinder is going to have to be run at around 150psi to get respectable speed, isn't it? I have a 65# air hammer I built and I run a 2-1/2" cylinder at between 80 and 90 psi most of the time with pretty decent results. When I had a 2" cylinder on it, it was slower. What size ports are you using on the cylinder and the 5-way valve?

One thing I found that made a significant difference in the speed of my hammer was changing to a roller valve with a significantly higher c.v. factor. The more air you can get to trigger the spool vlave, the quicker the hammer responds to changes in direction.

I'll be looking forward to seeing some pics of your hammer.


kpotter's picture

Kevin "Bigger tools make

Kevin
"Bigger tools make bigger things." I am not sure what to use I have kinda been stuck as to what size pneumatics to use because of the changes I made I will get my wife to post a pic of it tomorrow.