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Brass Panel Fitup
eligius1427 -
Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 9:34pm
altar | brass | church | cross Hi all, I fit up the brass panels the other day and thought I'd post some picts. I've still got a little more to fabricate, but a window opened up where I could go up to the the altar so I went and installed the hinges. The chapel is run by cloistered nuns, which never leave, and there are only certain times that regular people can go up to the altar. The nuns are very sweet, but it's pretty intense to be around people so dedicated. I'll be sure to post picts when they are finished. On a side note, is there a pickle to remove the discoloration around the welds without turning the area to copper? The pickle we've been using seems to turn certain areas around the weld, but not the weld itself, a copper color. Some of the spaces are kind of difficult to get the buffing wheel in. Jake Thanks Frank, when I looked
eligius1427 -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 9:17am
Thanks Frank, when I looked at the picts I also liked the blue color on the cross. Unfortunately it's protective blue tape. The final panel will be all polished brass with clear acrylic balls at the end of the wavy rods. Jake » reply ![]() hmmmmmmmmm I can't think of
Bill Roberts (not verified) -
Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 1:17pm
hmmmmmmmmm I can't think of any other reason that the pickle would "copper plate" .......other than there is something iron in the pickle when you insert the brass. There really is no other way for that to happen. IMO. looks good Jake. :) » reply Hmmm
B.J. Severtson -
Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 3:03pm
There is some iron somewhere. With me it's usually a tweezers sticking out of the pot. But could be filings, dipping the piece and letting the tongs get in the solution, or even dissolved iron in the water used to make the pickle. I agree with Bill On those tight areas that you can't get into with your buff. In jewelry we use a technique called thrumming. A cotton cord is impregnated with compound. I've used this string method with my jewelers saw. Cheap cotton clothesline in a hacksaw or cooping saw just might do the same thing. looking good » reply cool, I do that to bj, but I
ambition -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 4:59am
cool, I do that to bj, but I don,t know if it works on this scale. you can also use rough leather mostly with pickle/ copper plating its copper already disolved in the pickle that plates. maybe there is an ellement or metal in your welds that binds more easely with the pickle than copper(hard proces to describe phisics in english,). as a result the pickle(whe use desolved sulfuric accid) lets go of the desolved coper witch is plated, and binds with the new ellement. this is what happens with iron and aluminum in pickle let me know if you find something, hope you can cope with my english. ambition » reply Thanks Ambition, your
eligius1427 -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 9:26am
Thanks Ambition, your english is just fine and I appreciate all of the help I can get. My girlfriend does jewelry work out of copper which was probably in the pickle. Also, the filler rod was low fuming bronze. Not sure if that cause the copper deposits or not. We're going to try it with a new batch and see what happens. Jake » reply Thanks BJ, It wouldn't
eligius1427 -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 9:22am
Thanks BJ, It wouldn't surprise me if the pickle was contaminated. We've been doing the testing in my shop which obviously has iron everywhere. We're going to try it again with a new batch of pickle and more care. We'll let you all know how it turns out. Jake » reply Thanks Bill, talked with
eligius1427 -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 9:19am
Thanks Bill, talked with Casey and the pickle very well might be contaminated. we're going to try it again with a new batch. Jake » reply Copper from Brass
warren -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 12:59pm
Okay make all of the new pickle you want but you still will have some copper showing. I have made quite a few items from brass. They were brazed with low fuming bronze rod. Now since they were too large for the pickle tub I mixed up some pickle in a spray bottle. (sulphuric acid ...battery acid 10%) Squirt squirt all over the brass and watching the oxidation melt away. Squirt squirt some more now the brass is clean, but wait there is a copper residue in some places. Grab the scotch brite pad, little elbow grease and it is gone. No known iron at all, well maybe very very little traces of iron in the water???? I think that the copper just creates a fine film on the brass from the welding process. It does take a little bit to remove. No simple solution that you have on your project. But there are some different wheels from 3M called bristle wheels or something to that nature. They come in different grits and work dry. Little 1/4" angle grinder and have fun or go small with the Foredom. wowsy that is a long one. warren http://www.metalrecipes.com » reply Thanks Warren, That's
eligius1427 -
Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 9:16am
Thanks Warren, That's exactly how I will have to apply the pickle to this project as well. We are trying two more samples today and then we'll dig in. If we have to use extra elbow grease, then that's just what we'll have to do. I've never seen those 3M bristle wheels before, have you used them? They look handy and would like to know if they're as good as they look. Jake » reply ![]() They look wonderful. I
visitor -
Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 12:05am
They look wonderful. I remove copper flashing from silver by adding hydrogen peroxide to enough of the pickle to cover the problem. This makes a very stronge pickle although it is not long lived. I don't know if it could be sprayed on and work or not. It would be cheap enough and easy enough to try though. marilyn » reply Late getting back
warren -
Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 6:45pm
The only one of the products that I have used are the Radial Bristel Discs such as Part number 3M Id : 61-5001-5336-8 warren » reply |
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Inspirational
Hi Jake,
The panels are inspirational, but not overbearing. I especially like the blue color of the cross, it puts the focus on the Christian symbol, a peaceful refuge within the fiery panel.Very nice,Jake.
Frank