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outdoor sculpture materials?
eligius1427 -
Friday, February 1, 2008 - 12:20am
large scale sculpture | weathering I've been considering materials for an outdoor piece and wanted to make sure I haven't overlooked any possibilities. As of yet I have considered bronze, polished stainless steel, a sanded swirl pattern on stainless steel, painted steel or stainless, and rusting steel/corten. I've been reading about electropolished stainless, but don't know much about it. I really like the look of blackened and distressed steel, can you do this to stainless steel? Do any of you all have any other suggestions or comments about the above possibilities? Is aluminum an option? It seems kind of soft and would scratch easily? I'm leaning towards the swirl pattern on stainless for it's durability and the ease of repairs in case of vandalism, but really like the blackened look if I can make it durable enough. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Jake Thanks Richard for your
eligius1427 -
Monday, February 4, 2008 - 11:22pm
Thanks Richard for your reply. As for the copper or any other metal that might oxidize, would it be messy? Either on the ground or upon touch. I know that rusting steel can get all over the place. The piece might be sat on like furniture. Jake » reply Jake, Well, I actually have
Rich Waugh -
Monday, February 4, 2008 - 11:23pm
Jake, Well, I actually have gotten very tired of the sander-swirl finish on stainless. It seems that everybody just automatically uses it since it is easy and very forgiving of poor technique, and hides surface imperfections pretty well. Sort of the way the "hammered" finish was overused on Arts and Crafts copper and steel pieces over the years. I've seen too many pieces that would have been much nicer with another finish, but the swirl was used out of apparent laziness or unawareness of other, better finishes. You can heat stainless and get a very durable deep gray/black finish similar to steel. In normal environments it will be stable and not rust, though in a marine environment it may begin to rust some over time. If you avoid dthe use of steel tools or contaminated grinders and such when working it, it will reduce the rusting tendency. I think it makes a very nice finish for forged pieces with some surface detail, as you can highlight surfaces with selective sanding/polishing. As noted, Ries Niemi is very knowledgeable about electorpolishing of stainless for sculpture work. One side benefit of the electropolishing is that it passivates the surface so rust is much less likely to happen down the road. It is important to note that electropolishing won't relieve you of the chore of cleaning up your welds, etc. Like plating, it won't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse, but if your work is clean, electropolishing it will sure make it look shiny and "finished." I like silicon bronze for exterior work, ,though it is ridiculously expensive. Copper is nice, but rather soft. Nickel is neat, but again is really expensive. Aluminum requires anodizing to have a decently stable surface, which can get expensive, but without it is very prone to damage. » reply Thanks Rich, this is the
eligius1427 -
Monday, February 4, 2008 - 11:34pm
Thanks Rich, this is the information I was looking for. You seem to be a bottomless wealth of knowledge. I need to find a nice compromise between a flashy finish and durability. I'm not worried about my part of making a nice finished look, I'm more worried about the clients maintenance team trying to "fix" problems on their own. :) Do you have a favorite finish and material? Jake » reply I agree with Rich!
SteelyJan -
Tuesday, February 5, 2008 - 8:02am
Hi jake, » reply Well gee, I'm a blacksmith
Rich Waugh -
Tuesday, February 5, 2008 - 7:10pm
Well gee, I'm a blacksmith so I like a finish that reflects the work that went into the piece. Usually that works out to be "as-forged", with some highlighting done by sanding the high areas. I don't like fakey-looking hammered finishes, but I do like the appearance of forged steel. I also like stainless and silicon bronze. My favorite metal is silicon bronze, forged and given a moderately dark patina with highlights. If I could afford it, I'd do all my own work in silicon bronze, but I can only afford to use when a client is footing the bill. (grin) I really think that the finish for a given piece should b e determined by the piece itself. Some pieces look best with a high polish, some with an as-forged finish, some are best with a good coat of paint. I prefer to let the piece itself determine the final finish, raqther than forcing a pre-conceived notion on the work. » reply That seems like a good way
eligius1427 -
Tuesday, February 5, 2008 - 9:10pm
That seems like a good way to look at a project. As of yet most of my outdoor work has been powder coated, but as I get into more custom and artistic work I would like to let the material itself be part of the finish. Textured, patinas, etc but no powder coating. As I get this design narrowed down and drawn up with a proposed finish I'll post the image and see what everyone thinks then. Thanks again for all of your insight. Jake » reply stainless finishes
Giusseppe -
Friday, February 8, 2008 - 1:10pm
Stainless can be reliably used with a wide range of maintenance free finishes ... I think I have posted a few entries about this here, and there are also some blog examples on my site. If it is marine, always electropolish and then play with careful oxidation afterwards Anywhere else, heat colouring with or without the help of acids will yield anything from a stable rust appearance to vivid golds and blues. If you want matt or satin stick to decontamination with acids .... if you prefer reflective and vivid then electropolish before heating. I have produced thousands of meters of forged stainless over the years and it has never let me down. Where to bend next ... www.metalgarden.ca » reply Thanks Guisseppe, With
eligius1427 -
Friday, February 8, 2008 - 1:48pm
Thanks Guisseppe, With regards to the coloring, will it come off/fade with scrubbing and or cleaning. Vandalism with spraypaint is a concern that has to be taken into account and the clients want to make sure they can remove it without damaging the finish permanently. Jake » reply colour and cleaning
Giusseppe -
Friday, February 8, 2008 - 2:51pm
provided no abrasives are used the colour is strong and durable in an extreme case the colour can be rubbed off to reveal the silver surface and then recoloured with heat. most paints can be removed with thinners which do not affect the oxides on the stainless. also most paints do not stick well to polished stainless in the first place Where to bend next ... www.metalgarden.ca » reply |
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Outdoor materials
When you listed the materials you omitted copper, used in gutters, certainly should be durable outside. I have seen some aluminum pieces outside, should be durable, but realize that it will oxidize.
Ries Niemi is the guru of electropolished stainless, he frequently does very large pieces that way. He has a local shop with a very large tank for that process, I think that the shop usually does marine work.
I spoke to an artist doing stainless with the swirl finish, outdoor pieces around 6 foot high, mostly. He said that the swirl finish was super-easy to touch up, one of the reasons that he liked it. He used a sanding disk on an angle grinder.
I recently did a swirl pattern on copper, used 220 grit on a 3 inch disk on an angle grinder. (If it had been a bigger piece I would have used a larger diameter disk). Very easy to do, even though it was my first time on that process. When I had that piece in Open Studios, many people, including my spouse, commented that they liked that finish very much. (Note that this is an indoor piece not subject to moisture).
Richard
http://www.fergusonsculpture.com
Sculptures in copper and other metals