Copper solder for soldering copper?

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My girlfriend was looking for a copper colored solder to solder copper to avoid the silver line of silver solder(sounds like some sort of tongue twister):). Someone from Ganoskin suggested using a pre-1981 penny(hammering it and drawing it out then cutting it into strips). From what I remember from school the difference between soldering, brazing, and welding is temperature and the intermixing of metals. My first question is has anybody heard of such a solution for soldering copper? If so, how is it possible to solder a metal with the same metal? Wouldn't the temperature to melt one be the same to melt the other, making this welding? If this is actually soldering, can someone please explain the difference between soldering, brazing, and welding? Normally I probably wouldn't give this a second though, but usually the information from Ganoskin is pretty good.

Jake


don johnson's picture

I have tried several

I have tried several solutions to your question. Using strips of parent material can work,but the melting point is too close. Elecrical wire seems to be de-ox, but again the melting point is two close. I would use Harris zero for best color match. Just don't try to grind it or it will appear bright.


Rich Waugh's picture

Jake, You're correct in your

Jake,

You're correct in your understanding of the differences between soldering, brazing and welding. You can TIG weld copper, but it take a LOT of heat and a very deft touch to avoid meltdown. Soldering is far easier if you don't the higher strength of welding or silver soldering.

I don't know of any copper-colored low melting point solder, but they come up with new stuff all the time so there may very well be one available now. Back when I was doing stained glass work, we used a patinating chemical that turned the lead/tin soldera copper color. I would think that might solve your problem, perhaps. Check with the stianed glass supply places or boards for more info.


eligius1427's picture

Thanks Rich and Don, We'll

Thanks Rich and Don, We'll look into both.

Jake


walker's picture

Harris 0 rods are supposed

Harris 0 rods are supposed to be an great color match for copper.

Walker


don thibodeaux's picture

welding copper

I use the Harris 0 phos-copper rod the oxy-weld very thin copper. I is tricky, but it works well and takes patinas. Here's a picture of the copper Copper Restoration Project- "THE SICK DAYS OF SUMMER"Copper Restoration Project- "THE SICK DAYS OF SUMMER"piece I'm restoring.


B.J. Severtson's picture

welding

Jake.
I'd call the process welding. Hint to understanding: two items with the same composition and melting point can melt at differing times if they are not of the same mass. It's about btu's not temp. Copper wire will work and be easier to find than a copper penny. For that matter a red gold solder may also work. The direct weld approach and the red gold solder approach will both require torch control Ie. practice. Most times the seam showing isn't the real problem, It's the excessive excess solder showing. Another hint : the pieces of " solder" are thinner than a sheet of paper and about as big as the period at the end of this sentence. My flame is about the size of this l It's an oxy acte flame so you know the temp. It's a jewelry problem. another realm within the metalsmithing world. Brad


visitor's picture

My solution is to silver

My solution is to silver solder with my usual silver solders and when the last soldering is done, copper plate it by using "blue" pickle and a piece of iron. If there is a lot of buffing, filing, sanding to do, do it first as the copper plate is thin.

marilyn


Summerlander's picture

"blue pickle"

What is "blue" pickle? Can I make it using Citric acid pickle solution?


visitor's picture

Blue pickle?

what is it?


paisleymermaid's picture

Copper Solder

FYI, they do make copper solder. Are you still looking for it? I found it on ebay and will research exactly who I bought it from if you want. Otherwise, try doing a search on ebay for it.
I haven't used it yet so I can't say how it looks when done.


visitor's picture

copper solder

When you use the copper solder please post how it came out. I am new to soldering and am very interested in doing copper poeces.
Thnaks


Summerlander's picture

"copper solder"

Hi, I have been using regular Stay-Brite silver bearing solder with a small propane torch. Yes it is silver in color. Buy a product called Super Brite copper patina for solder and follow the instructions. The product is made by Novacan and they also carry other patina colors. I was so happy to find that it worked really well. Now my solder finally matches the copper. You can find it easily on the internet, I ordered mine from Tracy's Stained Glass Workshop or at a stained glss shop near you. Josey