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dowpat -
Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 12:48am
cage | river rock | welding I am thinking about doing a piece with a large river rock in a tight fitting, cage like setting. How do you weld the material in place with out chipping / discoloring the stone? ![]() Door knocker
dowpat -
Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 6:08pm
The shrinking sounds like a very interesting way to go, I will need to test that and see how it works. I want to keep the stone looking natural, not all chipped up like some that I have seen. ![]() need more info
Daedalus -
Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 6:36am
Any chance of a sketch to help us to help you? There are a number of ways to help with heat/discoloration on the stone.Barrier compounds,wet rags,copper chill bars,etc. In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. ![]() sketch
dowpat -
Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 6:04pm
At this time I do not have a sketch, just starting in that direction. Will post one soon. What do you mean by "copper chill bars"? Welding will be either mig or tig depending on what I can put my hands on. Pat ![]() Chill bars an guards
Daedalus -
Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 7:22pm
You can use copper to help you do things like pull heat out of or away from an area.Copper bars laid along side strap to be welded will pull the heat away from the edge of the weld and help form the edge so the stone will be less likely to spall from the heat of the weld arc. In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. ![]() Pat, When Daedalus talks
Rich Waugh -
Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 5:03pm
Pat, When Daedalus talks about "dry" regarding those rocks, he means more than just dry on the surface - they need to be dry all the way through. It's best if you can bake them in the oven first at about 225-250F for an hour per inch of radial thickness. That will drive out all the free water, though it won't get rid of the chemical water, if any. That doesn't go away until you reach 550-600F. Getting rid of the chemical water really only matters for things like calcining plaster or investment, but for welding around a rock you need to be sure the free water is gone completely so you can generate a steam explosion that may spall off pieces of rock. Rich ![]() Steam explosion
dowpat -
Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 10:21pm
The older I get the more I forget it seams. I should have thought about the water in the rocks for around my shop in Ramona CA after all the fires we had a lot of the rocks split/cleav and I would not want to be close when that happens. (Although we did get some great thin slabs for art work.) Thanks |
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fitting
Stephen Fitz-Gerald
Pat ,
There are a number of techniques for this.
All of them start with fitting the parts as closely as you can to begin with.My old man used to make a cool door knocker with very round stones. He would first make a steel ring that fit snugly.He then would heat the ring to red heat,slip it over the stone and quench the whole thing. The ring contracts enough to lock onto the stone for all time.These were granite stones by the way.Some softer stones will actually be crushed by this technique. I've done the same thing using stainless steel as well,but again only with very smooth round tough stones...