FORM/SLIP ROLLER

I was wondering if anyone here has made thier own slip roller capabale of handling 1/8" thick and 48" wide material. I know I can buy one, but building your own equipment/machines is a lot sexier, and hopefully cheaper. So if anyone has experience or reference I would be very greatfull.

CW


R L Sidebottom's picture

Not knowing what equipment

Not knowing what equipment you have available, it could get expensive just building the framework. The rollers should be machined true and polished.

I agree making your own equipment is a great turn on. If you have the abilities and can scrounge pretty good, it is a doable project.

Good Luck

Rick Sidebottom
Metal Artist
www.spider-webdesign.net
www.ironsidewelding.com


Curtis Warnes's picture

Rick, Sometimes luck is all

Rick,

Sometimes luck is all you need. I will keep digging.

CW


R L Sidebottom's picture

I'll take luck over good any

I'll take luck over good any day!

Rick Sidebottom
Metal Artist
www.spider-webdesign.net
www.ironsidewelding.com


Will Jones's picture

Slip Roller

Hey Curtis,
I made one a few years ago, but it's 36" wide. It'd probably do 1/8, but it'd be hard work. I bought an old mangle for next to nothing and used the gears,and frame of that to start with: the rolls are heavy walled tube about 4 1/2" O/D I think. Not perfectly round, but they do most of what I need o.k. Smaller rolls would've left less of a flat at the end of material, and allowed a smaller ring to be rolled, but the gears you use kind of determine the size of your rolls.
I'll see if I can work out how to post a photo or two - failing that if you email me, I can reply with attached photos. Think I may have some plans also I got off ebay. Will have a look!
Will Jones, www.ironwill.org.uk


Curtis Warnes's picture

Will, thanks for your input.

Will, thanks for your input. I will e-mail you, I also bought a plan off e-bay for a small roller. I am looking for several different ways to make one and then combine things from them all into my own. I know I will change something after the first one. Making your own machines/tools are like building a house there is always something you didn't think of that you would change. The difference is I can make a new machine, hard to change the house. The coolest homemade roller that I have seen in a photo was one made from I-beam pieces with boat hoist gears and wheel, and a hydrolic jack unfortunelty I can not find the photo. This is actually the piece that started the quest more than two years ago. I keep coming back to this project and then put it on hold. My problem is that I am getting jobs more frequently that need rolled pieces and I am sick of having to rig up something to get the roll or arc that I need.

CW


visitor's picture

roller

Hi Curtice Have you ever read Gingery books?? I have one here that tells you how to make a slip roller and the materials you will need go to Gingery they have how to make a lot of tools I havent made one yet but sure did get a lot of how to books ... good luck..................bigbob


Will Jones's picture

Slip rolls

If you do find the photo, I'd love to see it - and will look forward to seeing your rollers when made. Given the time I'd like to make a smaller set, and something to roll rings on edge better than the fly press does it.
Will Jones, www.ironwill.org.uk


Ries's picture

If you have a really good

If you have a really good machine shop, it should be quite possible.
I have a set of storebought rolls that will do 1/8" x 4 feet.
At that size, a motor is essential- you cant crank 1/8" , its just too much torque.
Mine has about a 2hp 3phase motor. It has an electric brake on it, which is really nice, as it stops on a dime. The motor drives the rolls thru a chain drive- similar in scale to a timing chain on a car. This is in turn hooked up to gears on the three rolls, with bearings on each end of the roll as well.
For 1/8" material in 4 foot width, you want rolls about 3 1/2" to 4" in diameter, and they should be solid round. Pipe might work on thin sheet metal, but the forces increase with the square of thickness- so if you double the thickness of metal you are bending, from 16 ga to 1/8", you quadruple the forces on each part of the machine, so they need to be 4 times as hefty.
To turn these, you need a good sized lathe- a minimum of 60", and 10hp or so, I would assume.

Toughest parts to engineer yourself would be the adjustment for thickness of material, with some sort of worm gear arrangement to raise and lower the lower roll, and another one to raise and lower the back roll, to control the degree of bend. This needs to raise both ends at once, the same amount. And, of course, your gear train has to be able to accomodate both of these adjustments.

My commercial one weighs in at about 1300lbs- this is about the mass you need to be able to roll 1/8" without the machine crumpling up.
New, an imported set of rolls like these- mine are Turkish, from Cole Tuve-
http://www.coletuve.com/
is gonna run you around $5000 to $7000.
So yeah, you could save money if you built your own, assuming you have a big mill and lathe, welding equipment, and the ability to troubleshoot and build the gearing and electricals. My guess is, though, that new, materials alone for US stuff, if you bought steel, gears, motor and controls, is gonna be $3K to $5K.
A motor with an electric brake, for example, in 2hp, is gonna run you $800 or so, and usually is only available 3 phase- the single phase models usually stop at 1hp.

I think often people look at a 22 gage sheet metal roll from Tennsmith, that costs $700, and assume they could run 1/8" thru it, and that its overpriced- but in reality, building tools to handle heavier gages of steel gets pricy fast. It takes power, weight, and mass to get a job like this done- I sure wouldnt wanna try rolling 1/8" x 48" material with a mangle...