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cutting out multiple patterns
copperjoe -
Saturday, November 1, 2008 - 9:34am
Whitesmithing copper | cutting | pattterns Hi, I have searched this site and have not found an answer to my question so I thought that I would ask all the talented people here. My question is, "What is the best most economical and fastest way to cut multiple patterns?" I am working with 30ga. copper. I have a small shop and I have been cutting my patterns out one at a time with heavy duty scissors by tracing the pattern each time. I have also tried placing about 5 layers of copper sandwiched between thin plywood and cut it out on my scrollsaw. The problem with that is, I can't find any metal cutting scrollsaw blades. I went through 8 spiral blades and cut out 2 flower petals which would really be 10 petals total; it only took 1-1/2hrs! Thanks in advance for any advice you have for me. ![]() You can have pancake dies
marilyn -
Saturday, November 1, 2008 - 12:46pm
You can have pancake dies cut and use them with a hydraulic press or even a vice. Check out http://www.sheltech.net/home.html marilyn ![]() Joe, Not surprisingly, I
Rich Waugh -
Saturday, November 1, 2008 - 11:12am
Joe, Not surprisingly, I agree with everything Ries said. I will add that I have cut literaly thousands of metal letters out of stock anywhere from .020" to 2" thick on my Delta Q3 scroll saw without any problems. The right blade and right operating speed make all the difference in the world with a scroll saw. I have use jewelers' saw blades on mine many times, using a slow stroke rate. On 30 ga stock I would think that you should be able to cut out a 4" cloverleaf piece in under two minutes or so. If your pieces are large enough, another way to cut them is to use a sabre saw (jig saw) over 3" thick hard styrofoam insulating board. This allows you to cut detail on very thin stocdk without the stock flopping around all over the place. The styrofoam is thick enough that it never gets cut trhough so you cna use the same piece over and over again hundreds of times. With copper, the small high tooth-count hollow-ground finish blades used for plywood work fine and last pretty well when you're not snagging the teeth and breaking them. ONe other possibility comes to mind for short runs of pieces in that thin copper. Chisel cutting. With a bit of practice, you can cut out complex shapes very rapidly using sharp chisels on a hard backing such as brass. ![]() cutting out multiple patterns
copperjoe -
Sunday, November 2, 2008 - 3:29pm
Thanks to everyone for their recommendations! I now have a lot of great links and ideas to add to my arsenal. I never knew that I could get these things pre-made. I must also ask when these pre-made things become someone elses work that I am just assembling to make a piece. I am talking about the stamped objects like fish and such. I'm sure that there are lots of views on that subject, I just need to look within and figure that out on my own. Thanks, Can't never could do Nothing! ![]() I have a heck tracer punch
kpotter -
Monday, August 10, 2009 - 12:18am
I have a heck tracer punch it is like a nibler it will do quarter inchse steel but I have done lots of copper and aluminum with it you make a pattern and use the pattern to follow around the cutter siqn shops use them they are still in business and I see them on Ebay. ![]() 30 gauge copper
visitor -
Sunday, November 2, 2008 - 9:47pm
I think you should try having the copper cut for you by a waterjet cutting service. They can cut several layers at once. Hope this is helpful. Stephen Kishel ![]() Search for scrollerbear here
Rick Crawford -
Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - 7:21am
Search for scrollerbear here on artmetal and you will find some info. I think he does fretwork in metal. SmokyRick ![]() cutting multiples
Stephen Fitz-Gerald -
Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 12:23pm
Stephen Fitz-Gerald If it were me I would have them waterjet cut as Stephen Kishel mentioned. I have many multiple parts cut(when I can afford it or have a fat commission).My old man taught me to always have more parts made than you need for any given project in case there's some down fall or for exploring other variations with the same basic parts. |
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Well, first, metal cutting
Well, first, metal cutting scroll saw blades-
http://www.olsonsaw.net/scroll-saw-blades---plain-end.html
These guys have em all. Every size, tooth count, and application. They will mail order, and are an old, high quality company.
Then- cutting lots of petals, for flowers. The way its usually done is- send it out, to someone with a laser. Laser cutting is the best way for this- every part will be exactly right, as many as you want, no bends, nicks, or gouges.
The downside, of course, is that it costs money.
Somebody like Randy McDaniels, another metalsmith, could do this for you, or, in most parts of the country, there are local places.
http://www.drgnfly4g.com/index_files/Page1607.htm
You can even buy pre cut flower petals, in steel, which many blacksmiths use to make metal flowers.
http://www.saber.net/~jere/rose.html
The alternative is to just get really fast with snips. After the first few hundred, it becomes second nature.
With copper that thin, theoretically, you could stamp them- but to do that effectively means making a die for each shape, which is pretty precise and labor intensive, involving machining. Then, you need a press. And unless you use a high speed OBI punch press, its not any faster than cutting em by hand. So if you really need 1000 a day, this would be a good way to go. Its the way the old line findings guys used to do it- places like Frank Morrow, in Rhode Island, have hundreds of dies, each weighing a couple hundred pounds, and which took a skilled machinist a week to make- but they last virtually forever, and you can always pull one down and run another 500 parts.
http://www.frankmorrow.com/Products/index.cfm?displayGrouping=3
Morrow will sell you any of a few dozen designs of flat petals, in copper, or most any other metal you want.