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Rust promoter
Bob Turan -
Friday, April 3, 2009 - 10:12am
chemicals | process | Rusted Patina On steel It's probably been discussed, but I can't find the thread. I'm looking for advice on promoting rust on mild steel to make new steel more closely match rusted steel. One of my sculptures uses weathered (well rusted) salvaged steel for most of it, and a few pieces of new 11GA mild steel scrap. I have removed the mill scale (60 grit flap discs) and have left the piece outside in the rain. I know that over time it will match pretty well, but the piece is in a show in 3 weeks. Is there a way I can accelerate the rusting process? ![]() Rust Promoter
Bob Turan -
Monday, April 6, 2009 - 7:31am
Lin- Thanks for the tip! Bob 2-ran ![]() Here are the proportions
Bob Turan -
Monday, May 3, 2010 - 9:45am
Bob, that formula is 4 parts white vinegar, 1 part hydrogen peroxide ![]() Ahhhhh...what's in a name?
Rich Waugh -
Monday, May 3, 2010 - 1:38pm
I'm always amused when people say they like something like this because it isn't a "chemical" patina. The formula for this, expressed in scientific terms, would be 40 parts H2O + 2 parts CH3COOH + 10 parts H2O2 + 1 part NaCl. Vinegar = 5% ethanoic (acetic) acid (CH3COOH) It is ALL chemicals! Rich ![]() You're right!
Bob Turan -
Monday, May 3, 2010 - 3:56pm
Just because those are common chemicals you might have under your sink somewhere, doesn't mean they are "safe"! You don't want to mix chlorine bleach with vinegar (acid) as it will produce chlorine gas, or mix it with ammonia which will produce chloramine gas, BOTH TOXIC! I just posted Lin's comment to the blog here, so I could find the formula again. I had to go through archived emails to find it - at least now, I know where it is ;-) I'm now trying to match some repairs I needed to make on a well traveled Corten sculpture. I am finding that deep brown/purple patina isn't easily matched by anything I have tried, so I may just wait for "Father Time" to blend it in. Bob 2-ran. ![]() Ah yes, that most trusted of
Rich Waugh -
Monday, May 3, 2010 - 10:50pm
Ah yes, that most trusted of panaceas, Tincture of Time. Almost always does the trick. Rich ![]() Thanks Rich
Chuck Girard -
Friday, May 14, 2010 - 5:02pm
Thanks Rich ![]() Dangerous Chemicals
Will Jones -
Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 4:18am
You'll like this, Rich ![]() I did like that Will,
Rich Waugh -
Sunday, July 31, 2011 - 7:57am
I did like that Will, thanks! I'll be passing that along to a number of deserving victims...errrr, recipients. My father, a career research chemist and Missouri-raised skeptic, used to answer people who started spouting "statistics" about the dangers of some "chemical" or another, with the following: "Beware of the single most dangerous substance on Earth! Oxygen. That's right, oxygen - why, are you aware that oxygen is so dangerous that less than one part per trillion in the air you breathe is fatal within minutes!" When they appeared puzzled he would go on to tell them that there was incontrovertible scientific proof that this was so and they could check his facts with any competent medical authority anywhere. In a few cases he would break down and tell them that of course it would be fatal since the human body needs about 280 million parts per billion in the air in order not to suffocate. (GRIN) Too many people these days, raised on ten-second sound bites from the TV talking heads, have absolutely no grasp of statistics or real science. Couch some patently absurd statement in "scientific" terms and they'll swallow almost anything - except evolution and global warming, of course. They have never developed a capacity for critical thinking and regardless of the inherent absurdity of any pundit's position, just gulp down the Kool-Aid like good little sheep. It would be amusing if it weren't so scary. These are the same people who vote... Thanks again for passing that on - I'm sorry Pop isn't still around to share that with, but others won't be so fortunate. There are liars, damned liars and then statistics. - Benjamin Disraeli ![]() Rust
Craig-K -
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 6:18pm
While I was away for a time there was a 'helpful' soul who put a jug of Muriatic Acid in my shop. I already knew that even a capped jug was not something to have indoors but I was surprised. One could look at the state of rust on iron about the room and track right to the jug. ![]() um you can use ferric
gwynlaredogranger -
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 6:25pm
um you can use ferric nitrate. i make my own by dissolving iron into nitirc acid.this mixture (deoending on your nitric acid strength) can be diluted again to suit your tastes with distilled water.im suprised no one else mentioned this. ![]() I think many of us steer
Rich Waugh -
Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 8:19pm
I think many of us steer away form recommending nitric acid compounds due to the inherent dangers of working with nitric. There are other agents such as hydrogen peroxide or household bleach that do the job just fine and are much less dangerous to handle and store. Ferric nitrate does have its place though. It is my etchant of choice for silver, among other things. Less aggressive than straight nitric and therefore more controllable. Rich ![]() I think this might be
Jim Cotter -
Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 6:50pm
I think this might be relevant to this discussion I tried this stuff called crud cutter from Ace hardware Def worth a try you can buy it online also I'll try and post some pics of what it looks like |
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Hi Bob, I have used a mixture of vinegar, salt and hydrogen peroxide and sprayed it on to rust pieces. I don't have the formula handy, but if you e-mail me at linhall@timetosteel.com and remind me, i'll research the exact formula. Lin