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To Rhino or not
B.J. Severtson -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 8:50am
designers. I'm seeking to understand here. To my friends that do computer generated images you have my bravo. I strongly feel that the tech needs to be in the hands of the artists. I'm trying to decide if this method Will get me to where I want to go. I realise that when I've finished writing and reading I'm largely going to have more questions that answers. Maybe we're in the same boat. I remember when quite a fuss was made when an entry to a metals show turned out to be a rendering and not a finished piece of metal art. Seems that the actual making of the piece was well beyond the ability of the "artist, designer Metalsmith" to produce it. In fact quite a bit of tech would have to be developed before anyone could build it. I'm also reminded of MC Eshers graphic work that contained perspectives unattainable in my 3d world. Altered realities. Love them. If I'm faced with the problem "I can draw it but I can't make it or I can make it but I can't draw it" You are just going to have to wait until I get done making it. But I'm not sure that's a choice that has to be made. There's a lot of gray between black and white. It may be that the greatest advantage to digital images is the ability to create very accurate tool paths. In that case my interface with the men in the little brown trucks will continue to be important. As I order my components, made to order. That's a new method of manufacturing. That puts an end to selecting components from a catalogue! or does it make the catalogue more personal and thicker? I cast a series of brass bottles in my college days. They were largely a response to people that were convinced other methods were somehow superior. I could never grasp the whole superior thing. I made the form I was after. Thing is that the objects that I made could be produces no other way. One clearly had my fingerprint cast into it, others had textures I could only get in wax. one contained a drip of wax. It was the nuance (happy accident) that made that one special. A brass nuance. I like the idea of being able to follow my carefully laid plan. I just don't want to loose the nuance in the process. I like the randomness pattern of my planishing marks, equally spaced all the same size just wouldn't be the same. All of that said I have to wonder, Is the only way I'm going to find out if this tool fits my hand is to pick it up? pfew long postthis is of
ambition -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 9:24am
pfew long post » reply I have to add an "Amen" to
kevincaron -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 9:27am
I have to add an "Amen" to both of you. I use "Cad" on occasion and have gotten way to complex of a design a few times. It is great for late night "What would that look like?" sessions. I still use that drawing board between the ears and lots of chalk on the workbench. » reply E cad
Gene Olson -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 11:32am
Brad, It can keep track of a lot of information, but to use it effectively your almost need to know where you want to go before you start. I find they are still best for formulating a "plan" then sketching and rendering in 3d can follow. I like the newer tools they have come up with for rendering sketch versions of proposals. They give you a lot more freedom in the build phase. Photo real rendering creates unreal expectations in the client, and puts an unnecessary burden on the artist. Gene Olson » reply Rhino or not?
Rick Crawford -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 7:55pm
Hi Brad - Rick Crawford at Smoky Forge » reply everything helps
Giusseppe -
Monday, March 24, 2008 - 10:03pm
well .... I can sketch forever in the forge with metal and that works well until I am tired .... pencils, pens and chalk are great for a while too .....main problem is that after 35 years of doing all that there is a creepy tendency to follow familiar routes .... even when experimenting .... going out on a limb, yes ....but I know the push of the wind, even the crack of wood and the fall ... nothing to be scared of cos I've picked myself up so often .....years ago I found corel when it was very young ( even helped them develop some tools in Draw) then Rhino ...and I made a great discovery ... I could feed seeds of thought into an experiment without worrying about the process of growth ... no safety issues, fatigue was irrelevant, hundreds of variations were born without any concern for time or wasted energy .....best of all are the surprises .....see, I work, sleep,eat,make love with metal ...sketching with rubber sheet geometry is empathetic to such a relationship ....running a hand over anything leaves wonderful memories...guidelines for recognizing a potential texture when forging ... or understanding the eloquence of a curve ....so stretching bezier curves or distorting nurb forms comes very naturally and becomes a form of tango ....a breast,curve of a wave,moving cat tail,soaring under a paraglider....millions of sensual pleasures among which are these unexpectedly mobile forms within the computer ... » reply here is one you might find useful
Giusseppe -
Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 5:36pm
quick sketch on a cone .... line glues itself to the surface. » reply I do not use modeling
eligius1427 -
Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 9:10am
I do not use modeling programs yet, but I do use a combination of computer and pencil for most designs. I often run into snags partway through a design and the computer lets me save and experiment from the same point over and over. I usually end up printing up what I have and drawing on it to move to the next step. I love the pencil for quick idea sketching, move to the computer to develop it, move back to the pencil to work out the quircks, use the computer to make final plans, and finally usually end up sketching the final proposal. If I had a modeling program or knew corel draw better I might use those for the final proposal, but I kind of like the personal look of graphite. I have been experimenting with the Rhino demo and find the potential intriguing. Jake » reply |
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Go for it...
Hi Brad,
Equipped with probably the least amount of "art" education of anyone in this group, I'll stick my neck out and say go for it.
Personally a clean sheet of paper and a nice #2 pencil is a great tool for me to improve the interface between my imagination and what I create in real life.If I had all that sophisticated machinery and software, I'd end up swirling in a pool of whatever never getting anything else done.Maybe after that piece of sheet metal tell me its whole story, I'll get a new book to read, but I'm still musing the intro page.So much to learn.
Frank