anvil resurfacing

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Hi...
I'm still finding my way around artmetal
and now I've got real question
which I can't find answered with searches...
(not yet...slow, problematic computer....
so my answer might really be in there)
I'm about to take on a friends old anvil,
which has been in the garage of another one of his friends
for 20 years.
There was a mention of "it might need resurfacing".
I'm thinking rust and just wear and tear from age....
I won't really know until it walks in the door.
How does one go about resurfacing an anvil?
Is there a standard proceedure
that you just keep at until you are happy with it?
What am I going to need?

As for me....
I do some metalwork, mostly chasing/repousse...
I've become interested in spoons.
I know I should not continue to use
my etching press bed as my pounding surface....
so I am happy to take on this anvil.
I cut wood for woodprints...
I do some watercolors and fight with oil painting at times.
that's about the bulk of it for now...
I'm sort of all over the place..
but, I enjoy it.

Any advice is really going to be welcomed........Linda


Fred Zweig's picture

Linda,Here is my take on

Linda,

Here is my take on the anvil.... I would not waste my time trying to reface it. I suspect it is a bit pitted or marred up from use.

I would acquire an angle grinder and equip it with a hook and eye attachment and find the best portion of the anvil and refinish only that portion so it is usable for our smaller work. Most likely you will need to start with a fairly course grit and then progress to finer grits up to no finer than 320.

I finished my Swedish anvil in this fashion and it has served me well.

Best of luck and let us see the anvil before you start.

Another tip. If you are going to be forging spoons on this anvil... I suggest rounding one edge to at least a 1/4" or 1/2" radius. The ring will be deafening so wear hearing protection. I also deaden the sound of the anvil by placing sandbags over the horn and heel of the anvil. I am told that a powerful magnet attached to the body will also help deaden the sound. Not sure about that one.

Fred

Fred Zweig
Metalsmith


Rich Waugh's picture

Linda, Welcome to ArtMetal -

Linda,

Welcome to ArtMetal - you'll get it all figured out quickly, I'm sure.

As for your anvil question, the amount of resurfacing that is necessary is gong to depend on a couple of things; what you want to do with it and what condition it is presently in. On the condition, a big factor is what kindof anvil it is. Real anvils, those that are made with either wrought iron, cast iron or cast steel bodies and a tool steel face plate, are worth resurfacing, but it should be approached carefully - you don't want to cut much off the face or you'll ruin it for forging. If the anvil is cast iron without a tool steel faceplate, it is only good for non-ferrous work and you can do whatever you want to the face since you can't make it any worse. I should note here that I am a professional blacksmith and therefore somewhat of a "snob" about anvil quality. :-)

Assuming that the anvil is a normal used anvil, with some rust, some dings, and maybe a bit of chipping on the edges, the resurfacing is pretty straightforward. You just want to clean up the face to the point it is good enough for what you need/want to do and no more. I prefer my anvils to have faces that are pretty smooth and shiny, and that takes time and energy.

With a used anvil, I start with a belt sander and an 80 grit belt to knock off the surface rust quickly and let me see how the surface looks. From there,I usually switch to the 4-1/2" angle grinder with a 220 grit greenback disc and I feather out any shallow dings and dress the edges to a small radius (about 1/32" to 1/16") all around. The edge of the anvil on the far side, from the horn back about 4-6" I dress with a significantly larger radius, about 3/16" at the horn tapering back to the 1/16" at about 6" back. If you're not doing hot forging, that larger radius may not be as necessary - you decide that based upon the use you plan for it.

After I have the whole face cleaned up I'll usually switch to my heavy-duty dual action random orbit sander and regular sandpaper, progressing through the grits until I get to about 320 grit. That is pretty close to a mirror surface for most purposes. On the small 100# anvil I use for silver work, the face is buffed to a mirror surface, but the others are just sanded shiny.

On any anvil with a tool steel face, do not remove more than 1/16" of metal! Any more than that will cut below the hardest part of the face, leaving it soft enough that it may be easily dinged. Keep in mind that an anvil does not need a perfectly flat face to be a good working anvil. My favorite old anvil has a sway in the center of the face after a couple of hundred years of work, and I find that slight depression very useful for straightening work where it needs to be moved past center to overcome "springback."

The physical reality of anvils is that the only part hat actually matters is the part that is directly under the face of the hammer - all the rest is just useful mass. Now, the spot that is under the hammer face may move around, so I like the whole anvil finished, but 90% of the work is done right in the middle of the face.

If you will post pictures of the anvil, showing the top, sides. front and rear. I can give you much more specific guidelines about finishing it. What I've given you thus far is just the generalities of the issue. Each anvil is different and should be dealt with according to its particular needs.

Rich


artings's picture

Thanks,

Thanks, guys...
Fred...you're right...
I'm heading for spoons...
wanting to move from sheets to bars...
Thank's Rich for the great explaination....
you've settled a lot of questions that were developing
as I was reading.
There seems now to be more that comes with this anvil..
like a vise, and a forge...
my friend started buying at auctions to develop a shop...
but, he turned more to wood,
I may be looking at more than I really need to have...
Fred...what do you feel is really necessary
for me to pursue the spoons...
so far I'm using only copper, sterling and aluminum.
I am self taught/self teaching in this...
I've a $7.00 torch from Menards,
firebricks on a wooden stool is my annealing station...
by a window with a fan....
Linda
http://lindakelen-artings.blogspot.com/


Fred Zweig's picture

For forging bar stock into

For forging bar stock into spoons you will need a hammer with weight. 2lb cross pein with short handle for control. Face and pein should be high polish and hard. High polish on your anvil. I would suggest making yourself a stake for the bowl of your spoon by modifying a large bolt.

You have a good start. I will gladly help in any way I can if you run into troubles making your spoons.

Fred

Fred Zweig
Metalsmith


artings's picture

anvil

30 inch anvil30 inch anvilJust got a picture..
30" end to end.
What do you think?
http://lindakelen-artings.blogspot.com/


Rich Waugh's picture

That looks like a Trenton or

That looks like a Trenton or Hay-Budden farrier's pattern anvil, based on the shape and the clip horn, double pritchel holes and horn. I'd guess, based on the length, it is around 250# or more. It looks to be in excellent condition, needing only a bit of rust removal and polishing. That's a very desirable anvil among many blacksmiths, so if you ever decide you would rather have something else you can probably get around $500 for it with no trouble at all. The other side of it should show the name stamped in it, though it may be hard to see with the rust. There should also be a serial number on the front foot. If you look at the bottom of the anvil, if it has a pill-shaped oblong depression it is a Trenton, and if its flat then it is probably a Hay-Budden unless marked otherwise. An excellent anvil!

I'll be interested to see what it looks like all cleaned up.

Rich


visitor's picture

I agree with Rich that this

I agree with Rich that this is an excellent anvil and worth your time cleaning it up. It is in great shape and I would not round the edges as much as I first mention. Follow Rich's advice. This will serve your spoon making very well.

Best,
Fred