chassing alluminum mask

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next week I am going to chasse a mask out of alluminum sheet. tomorow Ill finsish my design model in clay(I actualy made a clay cast of my head for this model).
problem is I never realy worked alluminum before. I bought a sheet of 2 mm alluminum(guy didn't knew what alloy -_-). it seems to have good plastic ability. I think I can hammer it. what I need is advice on the following:

tips for anealing and worktempratures for alluminum. how much hammer work before anealing again.

alluminum can be anodised in to a great veriaty of awsome colours. I plann to do that with this mask. problem is the ink for these colours bought from a jewler suplyer is a bit expensive. I heard some rumours that you could also use the some ink for cloathing. is there anyone here with experiance or ideas?

last question: on david haung his website earlyer posted on artmetal I saw him chassing on wax instead of pitch. I have hard modeling wax I think coud work. modeling wax would be cheaper, cleaner and easyer to remove from the sheet than pitch. Any one ever thit this?

latter on I'll post some img material of this project. I hope you people can share some experience

Grts Ambition


visitor's picture

annealing aluminum

Aluminun temp of annealing is 640-670 degrees F. Higher or lower temp may give incomplete softening. Hot working temp for aluminum varies from 300 to 925 F, depending upon alloy and procedure. Some ways to gauge temp are; tempil sticks(650F) available at welding supply, digital lazer pyrometer(cheap these days) coating surface of metal with acet.only flame and then burning off the carbon with oxy-ace flame, and the old standby, rubbing a sliver of pine wood over the surface, it should just start to char the wood,giving a slippery feel. Wax may work, try it. Don't know about the dyes.


Bill Roberts's picture

Some alloys of aluminum

Some alloys of aluminum don't forge/chase well. One way to tell if you have a "hard alloy(i.e. 7000 series)" is to take a small piece and see if it bends easily.......if it snaps when you bend it to 90 degrees, it might not be easy to chase and repousse. Doesn't mean you can still anneal it and try. :)
As for "how much hammer work before re annealing" ......you'll know.......the metal will seem harder..the sound and feel will tell you. FWIW, I've seen incredible repousse done on aluminum from Thailand. Looking forward to seeing what you do.
Besides the wooden stick and acet. soot......you can also use a permanent marker(Sharpie)...it burns off at the annealing temp. also.
When ever I anneal thin sheet...using the soot or marker approach......I ALWAYS also use a wooden stick(I like the sticks they give you to stir paint) to make sure that the aluminum doesn't get to hot.

While slowly heating up the sheet.....begin to rub the stick on the surface......when the aluminum is cold..the stick almost feels like an eraser ...it drags. But as the temperature rises.....rubbing the stick begins to leave a light brown mark.....and seems to "drag" less. As the temperature approaches the annealing temp. the "mark" gets darker(darker brown)and begins to slide across the surface of the aluminum. With thin sheet you need to be very careful as the "mark" gets darker.....with thin sheet I never go past "medium to dark brown mark". If you go until the mark is black......your very close to melting the aluminum.

One other "visual" effect that you get when heating aluminum......RIGHT BEFORE it melts.....the surface gets a golden hue.

Practice with a scrap first.....:) maybe even on a thicker piece if you've got one.

bill


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here is a litle update on my

here is a litle update on my mask project. first I made a template based on the model I made earlier.

templatetemplate"

then I foldt the nose. note that this folding combined with the teplate saves time as apose to raisingh the nose.

folding nosefolding nose

after that I started rough shaping by hammering on hammers fixed in the vice used as stakes. I also dit some hammering on the anvil and on wood.

rough shapingrough shaping

after that I started chassing. I tried using wax but the problem is it melts like watter. almost straight to liquid. while this mide be ideal voor filling and chasing a vessel for my mask its not idieal. also with pitch I can controll the hardnes better using a hot air gun(U know the ones you use for removing paint? whats the real english word for this tool?)
downsides on pitch are that it splinter and cracks, its expensive and its harder to remove.

grts ambition.

ps: thanks for the anealing tips, I started before the replies with anealing and discored that my waterproof design lines indeed disapeard at the same time my wooden stik started to slide. just a bit above the that temprature my torch flame turns a bit jelow orange like when touching the metal, the same way it does on brass and silver. alluminum is an easy material to work with. thanks bill and visitor, anny advise on anodizing Al?


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Ambition, your making quick

Ambition,
your making quick work of it......it's great seeing your progress. Great pix. :)
I knew that you'd have no trouble...considering all your experience with silver.
thanks for sharing.
Bill


ambition's picture

updat Al mask

time for another update

chasingchasing
first I fixed the big mask on my small pitch bowel for chasing

chiselingchiseling
after chasing I removed the eyes with a chisel.

forging & forming is now almost done. now its finishing and anodizing for a cool collour. again ANYONE with tips for anodizing Al & colour trix?

thnks & grtz ambition out.


visitor's picture

Two Big Problems

1st, Unknown alloy. Not all alloys of Al. are suitable for anodizing. Certain elements, unafected by the process may remain as inclusions on the surface. Suggest you experiment with scrap first. 2nd. Anodizing involves precise controll of voltage, amperage and time in an acid based electrolytic bath. Do you have this equipment? Commercial anodizing is availble as a service. Very risky seeing all the work in the mask. Consider Paint. Self etching primer followed by automotive paint. Some painters are getting unbelievable effects these days. Visitor Out.


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colour

thnx visitor
problem with paint is that it disquises the metal. I'm making a mask out of paper "maché" from the model I made earlyer witch I DO plan to paint.
its just when the aluminum is finished and polished I don't want to lose the shine of it.
http://www.ageofarmour.com/instock/masks.html was my ourigonel insperation. podercoating might be an option but first I want to try anodising

"from the four ellements water, wind, earth and fire mankind stole only one from the gods.
fire
and with whe forged our will upon this world"


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Ambition

So, my aptly named friend, Do you have the equipment?


ambition's picture

anodizing Al

for anodizing Al?
its not that hard. unlike titanium Al doesn't have natural anodizing colours. you just touroghly clean it by chemical means and than suspend it in a 10% sulfuric acid sulution elektrolithic bath(probably not the right word). you can even use a car batery charger as a power source. this creates a britle white oxidizing layer.
this layer can be coloured and becomes strong and transparant if you boil it in destiled water. thats the basic theory behind the proces but there is a catch.

the colouring ink like substance I need to colour the britle white Al oxide layer is realy expensive if I buy it comercialy from jewler suplyers. I am just a student after all;
but I heard rumors on the web about people using the ink for anodizing Al that used for cloathing. if this works I could try lots of cool thinks with colour & Al low budget. So Im looking for experience in this matter here. Im planning to do some tests and see. but experience on this mater would be most welcome.
so my mister mistery visitor, got skills ideas or advice? love to hear it. I got one advice for you though. register NOW, this place is awsome. and I for one thing would love to know who I'm talking to:)
ambition out, may the forge be with you


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Interesting

Thanks for the lesson. Your question seems to be about dyes. Mineral dyes will work well on pure Al. Not sure what you have so can't offer much more. Can't login anymore. Computer might be broken. John Christiansen www.irondesign-ne.com