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Casting stainless steel ???
AbOmInOg -
Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 2:35pm
artwork | casting | foundry | stainless steel I would love some feedback from those of you with experience casting stainless steel. I have been involved with casting aluminum, bronze and iron for several years but have never attempted SS. I was recently given @ 350 lbs of 316 SS fasteners which I want to melt and cast. I have constructed a coke-fired cupolette-style furnace w/ a 300lb capacity and barring any oversight, intend to melt in it. Im not certain what to expect when the 316 is melted. Im am certain that some factors will have to be weighed and ask your help pinpointing them. Cast SS
AbOmInOg -
Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 10:57pm
Thanks George. » reply I don't think you'll have
Rich Waugh -
Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 8:51pm
I don't think you'll have much joy with trying to melt SS in a cupola furnace for casting. You say tghat you desire the end product to be "weldable,machinable, corrosion- resistant, and can be finished to a degree of reflectivity that Im familiar with", yet you go on to say that the resultant product need not adhere to any "particular rigorous performance standard." That jseems contradictory; on the one hand you want it to be just like a standard ASM alloy (read, meet standards), while on the other hand you say it need not. There is no rational hope of obtaining a consistent, dependable alloy from a cupola melt. The process is inherently fraught with uncertainty as regards the outcome. As noted previously, those who routinely casrt SS use induction melters, generally in a controlled atmosphere, to obtain pieces that are weldable, machinable, etc. I don't think you can possibly achieve that in a cupola. If you do succeed, I would love to hear your process. » reply Casting SS
AbOmInOg -
Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 10:50pm
Thanks for your comments. To clarify: the recycled metal forming the art casting need not adhere to the exacting performance testing such as those spec'd in ASTM and other such testing organizations. My concern is primarily aesthetic. Im quite certain that the metal composition and therefore its properties will be altered. These will likely complicate working with it. As long as I can fabricate with it (weld/ machine and finish) in a manner pleasing to me- I would consider it satisfactory- warts and all. At any rate the allure of even a modicum of success makes it worth trying. I built a cupolette-style furnace (w/ lid). This design is more of a batch melter than a continuous one which recoups more heat than a cupola. If run carefully the melt zone tends to oxidize less than a standard continuous melter. » reply Regarding the controlled
Rich Waugh -
Monday, January 12, 2009 - 12:07am
Regarding the controlled atmosphere: When melting any ferrous metal, (and most non-ferrous), it is common in industry to perform the melt in a controlled atmosphere. Generally, an inert gas such as argon, helium, nitrogen or carbon dioxide is maintained in the induction furnace to prevent oxidation, absorption of undesirable elements or other variables during the melt. High carbon steel is particularly prone to losing carbon through oxidation, most steels are better without excess sulfur, etc. In a cupola-type melt, the metal is essentially subjected to open flame and thus highly prone to oxidation if the atmosphere is not maintained in a reducing state by the addition of some material to consume free oxygen. Stainless steel, generally composed of iron, nickel and chromium, is only stainless if the chromium carbides are in suspension and the surface chromium is oxidized. If tramp elements are introduced, these balances can change. Thus the use of controlled atmospheres. The need for atmosphere control necessitates isolating the melt from the flame and free atmosphere, so induction furnaces are appropriate, or muffle-type furnaces or closed crucibles. I'm not too knowledgeable about cupola melting, so I can't say how you could control the atmosphere in one effectively. Building a cupola that will withstand for a sufficient period of time the more than 2600F temps necessary to melt stainless may be a problem, too. Finally, your desire fora michineable final product concern me. Typically, steel is cast into ingots large enough to be rolled down to billets and then into finished form aftera reduction in section of some 85% or thereabouts. This high degree of reduction is necessary to develp the tight grain structure necessary to have a piece that is both strong and dense enough for machining. I wish you luck with your efforts and look forward to hearing how it comes out. » reply ![]() melting stainless steel in a cupola
visitor -
Thursday, July 2, 2009 - 4:46pm
I just stumbled across this site. As a metallurgist in industrial investment casting foundry, I have a couple of thoughts. Temperatures for castings should be around 2800F for good flow. the thinner a section, the more heat you need to keep it from freezing off too soon. Also, stainless steel is a mushy freezer, more prone to shrinkage porosity than bronze. (I haven't worked with Al). I don't think grain size will be a factor for machining castings. SS is gummy, so tends to wear cutters faster. I agree that induction melting is better than cupola. I don't know much about cupolas: doesn't it work by burning carbon, so are mainly used for cast iron? If so, then that it going to change the composition of your SS if it is in direct contact with the carbon. 316 stainless is supposed to be low carbon. Some bad things can happen to 316, as far as carbides in the grain boundaries, and how it can react to heat treating. No matter how much you shield, you will not be able to overcome h20 and excess oxygen in a combustion system. In induction heating, you can shield by a liquid nitrogen drip, or flowing gaseous Nitrogen over the melt, and keeping a lid on it as much as possible. You need to make sure you have good ventilation. » reply |
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I would double check to see if cupola melt will work for stainless. Though I have never cast SS myself, I have been around foundries who do....all of them use Induction furnaces for SS.
on another note...SS is much hotter than the other metals that you (and I) have experience with. It is dangerous exponentially more so than bronze or aluminum..take extra caution. Let me know what you find out.
George
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